Message from @Obungus

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2018-12-12 01:02:19 UTC  

I won’t lie when I say a lot of religion definitely promotes good values and gives people a sense of hope and community

2018-12-12 01:02:41 UTC  

I just have a distaste’s for cults that attempt to control every aspect of people’s lives

2018-12-12 01:02:52 UTC  

Ones like Jehovah’s witnesses

2018-12-12 03:14:42 UTC  

free will does not exist

2018-12-12 06:08:00 UTC  

@el pebble how do you know that?

2018-12-12 06:19:05 UTC  

@Bogatyr Bogumir There might is a god, but so far, no religion is convincing enough for me to believe in some specific god.

2018-12-12 06:20:20 UTC  

I used to be an Orthodox Christian.

2018-12-12 06:22:40 UTC  

And there are also many moral atheists.

2018-12-12 06:23:15 UTC  

This is a very retarded stereotype. If you're an athesi you will either be gay or degenerate.

2018-12-12 06:23:22 UTC  

Not true.

2018-12-12 09:39:03 UTC  

The problem with atheism is the lack of morals. Atheistic thinking doesn't allow for absolute rights and wrongs. Thus atheism often leads to faggotry and degeneracy. Although all atheist aren't faggots or degenerates, mainly because of religious cultural influence, virtually all faggots and degenerates are atheists.

2018-12-12 09:41:33 UTC  

From a purely atheistic perspective, there is no way of reasoning why killing and eating your mother is wrong, because you will get nutrients and whatnot. Morality is inherently religious, even if you don't consciously believe in God.

2018-12-12 13:14:07 UTC  

Two can not walk together unless they have first agreed to meet.

2018-12-12 15:25:14 UTC  

@Obungus Atheists can live a moral life

2018-12-12 15:25:38 UTC  

no

2018-12-12 15:25:53 UTC  

if morals don't really exist then you can not possibly live by them

2018-12-12 15:26:46 UTC  

It's pretty easy to think off 2 lists with actions that are moral and not

2018-12-12 15:27:01 UTC  

Based on those lists we can assign morals

2018-12-12 15:27:13 UTC  

but if good and evil don't exist then it's all subjective

2018-12-12 15:27:23 UTC  

so you can live by your own standards

2018-12-12 15:27:32 UTC  

but it can't be defined as morality

2018-12-12 15:31:46 UTC  

Education gives most people, at least atheists an idea of what's good and bad

2018-12-12 15:33:33 UTC  

So based off that you could say that atheists can still believe in good and evil but reject the idea of god

2018-12-12 15:34:15 UTC  

but again, without something to make anything evil or good it isn't really morality. Just a subjective concept.

2018-12-12 15:35:08 UTC  

@Obungus but my point is that atheists actually do have something to make anything evil or good

2018-12-12 15:35:25 UTC  

but it isn't objective so it doesn't really matter all that much

2018-12-12 15:35:43 UTC  

So what's objective according to you

2018-12-12 15:37:01 UTC  

If this isn't objective "God's" morals would also be subjective

2018-12-12 15:37:34 UTC  

And again based on reason and science atheists can have morals

2018-12-12 15:38:32 UTC  

You can have a standard that doesn't change

2018-12-12 15:39:03 UTC  

but unless that thing undoubtedly defines good and evil it can not possibly be seen as an objective moral standard

2018-12-12 15:39:22 UTC  

God is an objective moral standard because He is unchanging and the definition of goodness

2018-12-12 15:39:50 UTC  

And where do God's morals come from

2018-12-12 15:40:05 UTC  

His natural attributes

2018-12-12 15:40:10 UTC  

Because he commands it?

2018-12-12 15:40:15 UTC  

no because He is it

2018-12-12 15:40:43 UTC  

His nature is what is good and seeing as God is immutable this means His morality is objective

2018-12-12 15:41:12 UTC  

And you have to listen to It

2018-12-12 15:41:42 UTC  

You don't *have* to

2018-12-12 15:41:51 UTC  

He gives you the option to ignore Him

2018-12-12 15:43:04 UTC  

So what happens if you ignore him