I won’t lie when I say a lot of religion definitely promotes good values and gives people a sense of hope and community

I just have a distaste’s for cults that attempt to control every aspect of people’s lives

Ones like Jehovah’s witnesses

free will does not exist

@el pebble how do you know that?

@Bogatyr Bogumir There might is a god, but so far, no religion is convincing enough for me to believe in some specific god.

I used to be an Orthodox Christian.

And there are also many moral atheists.

This is a very retarded stereotype. If you're an athesi you will either be gay or degenerate.

Not true.

The problem with atheism is the lack of morals. Atheistic thinking doesn't allow for absolute rights and wrongs. Thus atheism often leads to faggotry and degeneracy. Although all atheist aren't faggots or degenerates, mainly because of religious cultural influence, virtually all faggots and degenerates are atheists.

From a purely atheistic perspective, there is no way of reasoning why killing and eating your mother is wrong, because you will get nutrients and whatnot. Morality is inherently religious, even if you don't consciously believe in God.

Two can not walk together unless they have first agreed to meet.

@Obungus Atheists can live a moral life

no

if morals don't really exist then you can not possibly live by them

It's pretty easy to think off 2 lists with actions that are moral and not

Based on those lists we can assign morals

but if good and evil don't exist then it's all subjective

so you can live by your own standards

but it can't be defined as morality

Education gives most people, at least atheists an idea of what's good and bad

So based off that you could say that atheists can still believe in good and evil but reject the idea of god

but again, without something to make anything evil or good it isn't really morality. Just a subjective concept.

@Obungus but my point is that atheists actually do have something to make anything evil or good

but it isn't objective so it doesn't really matter all that much

So what's objective according to you

If this isn't objective "God's" morals would also be subjective

And again based on reason and science atheists can have morals

You can have a standard that doesn't change

but unless that thing undoubtedly defines good and evil it can not possibly be seen as an objective moral standard

God is an objective moral standard because He is unchanging and the definition of goodness

And where do God's morals come from

His natural attributes

Because he commands it?

no because He is it

His nature is what is good and seeing as God is immutable this means His morality is objective

And you have to listen to It

You don't *have* to

He gives you the option to ignore Him

So what happens if you ignore him