Well Europe and North America anyway

I see your point

Oh, also @Swiss Cheese, White Nationalism and, for example, German Nationalism are two very different things.

As I was saying, the right should believe in objective good. The left wants Utopia, but they is not an objective end. Utopia is subjective. They don't care what the utopia looks like as long as everyone is happy and relatively equal

@campodin I disagree. It is pretty normal for people to value things and want society to change in some way or move towards a 'better' society they can imagine

Whether Progressives, Communists, An Caps, or the Alt Right

That feature isn't unique to the Right

Not at all, that is the definition of Progressivism.

The reason it is so common all sort of ideologies is because Liberalism is so rooted in out culture.

@Snakeisninja I'm not saying the pursuit of a better society, but the pursuit of **objective** good

@campodin well objective morality isn't exclusive to the right either. Just look at Liberalism. All men are created with rights, the state exists to protect these rights, the people have the right to overthrow a tyrannical state...this whole ideology is rooted in morality

The liberal lense identifies certain acts as good and others as evil

I think that there is a spectrum of liberalism

The right end is US conservatism

Which believes in objective good and rights

The left end like Vee and Sargon believe in these values subjectively

there is no objective good - at least from a moral relativist standpoint

Moral relativism is gay

so is claiming an objective good tbh

Well, I agree with moral relativist, however, I think that is exactly why we need God to give us a unrelative example to follow.

instead of an objective good - we simply need a subjective good that is more or less objective in the eyes of our populace

hence why i am a paternal conservative

*the answer* vs *our answer* sorta deal

Objective good can be determined from the fact that the world is objective, and there are certain behaviors that will always benefit your society and create healthy communities that preserve your integrity and ensure your survival. This is the objective good that should be pursued.

But benefit is subjective

How?

What you see as good I may not.

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What an ancap sees as beneficial may not be seen as beneficial to a fascist

Disagreement on good doesn't make it subjective

Well unless you have something that objectifies your view on good and evil it is still subjective

How do you prove something is good then?

That can be different for different people. As for the question of the day I'm only interested in that the right actually believes there is an objective good

>That can be different for different people.

So it's subjective.

(((Good)))

This QOTD is very good. Sometimes I'm quite confused by some responses to the polls if this is a "right wing" Discord. Political thought has entirely converged to the Left. It's diluted to Hell. Almost everyone who identifies as "Right" now are Leftists -- I'm looking at Right-Libertarians too.

Where does Left/Right come from? Those who supported Enlightenment ideals and the French Revolution sat to the left in the National Assembly, and the opposite sat to the right. *"Libertarian" and "liberal" have the same etymology for a reason.* They come from the same origin. Libertarians and a vast swath of the "Right" would be sitting on the left in 1789. Modern "conservatives" are not Rightists. They are libertarians of a sort.

Any real Rightist philosophy is virtually unknown now. And by that I mean: any philosophy not born out of the successful regime and moral changes of the 18th and 19th centuries, i.e.: Thomas Carlyle, Julius Evola, Oswald Spengler. So, to the question, what is truly "Right"? Winding your way back down the tree of political ideologies to the real fundamental divide that started it all and is anything born out of the Right from back then.

The defining characteristic of the right is to segregate and divide peoples in order to best allocate them for the further good of society. This was the wisdom of the Aryans in India, who, following the Vedas divided each person into a caste by birth and created a truly right-wing society. In the works of Aristotle we also find division, he notes that the office of the wise man is to keep order and govern alone (presumably over a tribe?) and the office of the less wise to obey the wise man.

And it was inefficient as fuck

Why is why the US wasn't built on that shit and had some respect for capitalism and the free market