Message from @Snakeisninja
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Although I will admit that the "alt right" and co. should drop nationalism and adopt a more "globalist" platform so to speak
After all, the movement is international and has supporters around the world
That doesn't make any sense.
Well, what if the UK successfully became the white ethnostate? Wouldn't the alt right want to move there?
You'd see thousands of them leaving their "homelands" to migrate to the ethnostate
@Vilhelmsson see what I mean? Not very nationalist
That's just White Nationalism.
just say nationalism
god its annoying
nobody complains about black nationalism in africa
That's my point: white nationalists are hindered by nationalism
@Swiss Cheese I do, it's gay.
It would be better to have "white globalism" in a sense
The entire White world is their nation, it makes perfect sense.
Well Europe and North America anyway
I see your point
Oh, also @Swiss Cheese, White Nationalism and, for example, German Nationalism are two very different things.
As I was saying, the right should believe in objective good. The left wants Utopia, but they is not an objective end. Utopia is subjective. They don't care what the utopia looks like as long as everyone is happy and relatively equal
@campodin I disagree. It is pretty normal for people to value things and want society to change in some way or move towards a 'better' society they can imagine
Whether Progressives, Communists, An Caps, or the Alt Right
Not at all, that is the definition of Progressivism.
The reason it is so common all sort of ideologies is because Liberalism is so rooted in out culture.
@Snakeisninja I'm not saying the pursuit of a better society, but the pursuit of **objective** good
@campodin well objective morality isn't exclusive to the right either. Just look at Liberalism. All men are created with rights, the state exists to protect these rights, the people have the right to overthrow a tyrannical state...this whole ideology is rooted in morality
The liberal lense identifies certain acts as good and others as evil
I think that there is a spectrum of liberalism
The right end is US conservatism
Which believes in objective good and rights
The left end like Vee and Sargon believe in these values subjectively
there is no objective good - at least from a moral relativist standpoint
Moral relativism is gay
so is claiming an objective good tbh
Well, I agree with moral relativist, however, I think that is exactly why we need God to give us a unrelative example to follow.
instead of an objective good - we simply need a subjective good that is more or less objective in the eyes of our populace
hence why i am a paternal conservative
*the answer* vs *our answer* sorta deal
Objective good can be determined from the fact that the world is objective, and there are certain behaviors that will always benefit your society and create healthy communities that preserve your integrity and ensure your survival. This is the objective good that should be pursued.
But benefit is subjective
How?