Message from @campodin

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2018-09-08 22:54:33 UTC  

Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion

2018-09-08 22:54:49 UTC  

If your goal is survival, then to keep your head down and bide your time until the threat has passed is the way to survive, unless you think that you would be sought out and exterminated for doing so.

2018-09-08 22:55:18 UTC  

It is fight OR flight

2018-09-08 22:55:36 UTC  

That's why adultury is condemned within society

2018-09-08 22:56:04 UTC  

Societies that condemn it do better as a result

2018-09-08 22:56:40 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 no survival is Telos

2018-09-08 22:56:49 UTC  

Survival at any cost

2018-09-08 22:56:51 UTC  

And sticking your head down is only applicable when danger is present

2018-09-08 22:56:59 UTC  

The Telos is survival.

2018-09-08 22:57:02 UTC  

Yes

2018-09-08 22:57:05 UTC  

I think is what you mean.

2018-09-08 22:57:10 UTC  

You're right

2018-09-08 22:57:14 UTC  

Telos in and of itself means nothing.

2018-09-08 22:57:22 UTC  

It's just an end.

2018-09-08 22:57:27 UTC  

A goal

2018-09-08 22:57:33 UTC  

The destination or aim.

2018-09-08 22:57:52 UTC  

Survival is more than threat scenarios

2018-09-08 22:58:16 UTC  

No, if you believe you are in danger of not surviving

2018-09-08 22:58:21 UTC  

There is a threat.

2018-09-08 22:58:39 UTC  

Either you need to mitigate the threat, or hide from it.

2018-09-08 22:59:06 UTC  

Passing on your genes has to do with survival but there is no threat.

2018-09-08 22:59:29 UTC  

No, of you don't pass on your genes, that is the threat.

2018-09-08 22:59:35 UTC  

That your genetic line will end.

2018-09-08 23:00:12 UTC  

Then you are just describing every operation of life in general

2018-09-08 23:01:18 UTC  

To keep us alive long enough to reproduce, to help our offspring survive long enough so they can reproduce, etc.

2018-09-08 23:01:46 UTC  

All such would be a?

2018-09-08 23:02:36 UTC  

The threat to your genetic line surviving.

2018-09-08 23:03:08 UTC  

To continue to live or exist, especially in spite of danger or hardship.

2018-09-08 23:03:27 UTC  

Everything we do is to protect ourselves from threat.

2018-09-08 23:03:32 UTC  

That is to survive.

2018-09-08 23:03:41 UTC  

@campodin false.

2018-09-08 23:03:46 UTC  

Yeah.

2018-09-08 23:03:51 UTC  

We don't eat to survive

2018-09-08 23:03:54 UTC  

Now threat has become meaningless

2018-09-08 23:03:58 UTC  

We eat because we like it.

2018-09-08 23:04:07 UTC  

People do things that are detrimental to the survival of their genes, of humanity, and of life

2018-09-08 23:04:10 UTC  

Lol food is for nutrition

2018-09-08 23:04:16 UTC  

And often that action is in contrary to survival.

2018-09-08 23:04:40 UTC  

What I claim is not that all organism act this way, but that this is how all organisms SHOULD act

2018-09-08 23:04:46 UTC  

Yeah and those are the degenerate behaviors

2018-09-08 23:04:50 UTC  

So when you go to the store, you buy anything.