Message from @el pebble
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state intervention makes the monopolies with high barriers
Barriers to industry are almost completely natural
No state intervention can sometimes bring problems to the state itself.
you’re telling me the minimum wage, strong regulation, taxation are natural ?
right
this constantly circles the same drain, there is nothing to stop a monopoly from forming unless the market magically prevents massive accumulation of wealth through some magical force that doesnt exist.
"the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service."
-Monopoly
Someone can have exclusive control of a service even with farmer joe competing because he is irrelevent and cannot compete.
Those aren't the majority of monopolizing features
@Bogatyr Bogumir then thing stopping a monopoly is competition
Completion forms with low barriers to entry
competition eventually produces a winner
That’s why the state needs to stop intervention
You argue dishonestly as if the capitalism s not ingrained with state power on purpose
No they just compete
lol
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Competition doesn't do anything
Because the capitalism you speak of doesn’t exist and the state isn’t a thing in capitalism
Yes it does
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How is it the entirety of capitalism?
Capitalism is a very self-looking system, bringing freedom to the individuals.
The state isn't of primary importance in the Capitalist System's markets.
Capitalism did not become engendered until the English Gentry took land from communal peasants and used a process of enclosure on it
Capitalism is not natural
No part of modern civilization is "natural"
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Modern civilization is the result of capitalism
modern civilization and capitalism are the result of technological advance
Not true
True.
I guess that's not true then lmao
Naturalism doesn't let the technology evolve that fast.
Technological advancements in itself do not push towards capitalism
sure they do
capitalism is the most sensible way to leverage wealth, and wealth only proliferates through technological advances to production efficiency
there is no way to actually stop this, competition literally fails eventually as a system itself, eventually someone gets more money through whatver methods. And he then raises the bar, he can afford to give better wages, literally competition is the reason a monopoly must rise.
literally the best economies in the world also practice protectionism, those that have employed persons that is. Switzerland has seasonal tariffs and somehow people are okay with it, otherwise their farmers would literally be replaced by some company from germany or china who knows.
The moment you dont even produce your own food, your own oil you are the vassal of whatever company produces said product. Libertarianism not only fails to explain away monopolies, issues concerning the nation becoming literally a company are also not explained away, additionally the social consequences. There is a fine line to walk and libertarianism essentially abandones the rules in favor of such basic and ambiguous rules that anything can happen including monopolies, the law of competition mandates it.
Rather when there is a set of rules and set of methods by which welath actually flows constantly and prevents pooling, libertarianism isnt this system but rather a system of the buisnussman. We need something that limits certain things, such as how many X more a CEO makes than the person on the floor. Ironically the era of major growth in germany etc. had these inds of laws, the moment they were removed in favor of loosening up the economy things went to shit. And ever since the wages have spiraled downwards. (not to mention libertarianism opens the perfect oppertunity for corrupting govorment and gaining competetive advantage... there is nothing in libertarianism preventing this).
jesus
Advancements in power, electrical and productive, turns toward planning and a national centralization of economic affairs
Not quite capitalist