Message from @Dwarf

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2018-05-28 15:24:34 UTC  

I agree with that, not all socialists are marxists.

2018-05-28 15:24:35 UTC  

Both are socialist, yes?

2018-05-28 15:24:40 UTC  

So what?

2018-05-28 15:24:54 UTC  

They're both a form of socialism. It doesn't make them the same thing you nut.

2018-05-28 15:25:21 UTC  

Was the Soviet Union a truly socialist country?

2018-05-28 15:25:33 UTC  

Depends what year.

2018-05-28 15:25:37 UTC  

I was between c.1929-1956

2018-05-28 15:25:37 UTC  

Under Stalin, yes.

2018-05-28 15:25:41 UTC  

It*

2018-05-28 15:26:04 UTC  

Before Khrushchev's liberalisation and after Lenin's death, basically.

2018-05-28 15:26:27 UTC  

I'd say after the end of the NEP

2018-05-28 15:26:43 UTC  

And before Khrushchev's destalinization

2018-05-28 15:27:52 UTC  

Yeah, but this guy probably doesn't know anything about the USSR outside of propaganda, so I'm using dates which are easy for this brainlet to understand.

2018-05-28 15:27:59 UTC  

Oh ok

2018-05-28 15:28:26 UTC  

Then I'll pick 1917, because politically that was the start year of socialism

2018-05-28 15:28:38 UTC  

Fair.

2018-05-28 15:28:51 UTC  

So under Stalin it was real socialism?

2018-05-28 15:28:55 UTC  

Yes.

2018-05-28 15:28:55 UTC  

Yes

2018-05-28 15:29:20 UTC  

Are you going to follow that up with anything or are you just going to ask if the USSR was socialist again?

2018-05-28 15:29:47 UTC  

No I just find it interesting how Iโ€™ve run in to many Communists/Socialists who would disagree.

2018-05-28 15:29:53 UTC  

Yeah.

2018-05-28 15:30:06 UTC  

Unless youโ€™re both tankies or something

2018-05-28 15:30:07 UTC  

A lot of leftcoms and anarchists tend to call Stalin a pseudo-Socialist.

2018-05-28 15:30:15 UTC  

I'm not a Marxist, so I'm hardly a tankie.

2018-05-28 15:30:33 UTC  

I'm a strasserite, if that wasn't already established.

2018-05-28 15:30:41 UTC  

I often get called a tankie

2018-05-28 15:30:48 UTC  

Same, surprisingly.

2018-05-28 15:30:58 UTC  

@Advocatus Diaboli Well, youโ€™re a communist obviously?

2018-05-28 15:31:08 UTC  

Though I don't even know the meaning of this word

2018-05-28 15:31:12 UTC  

Yes I am

2018-05-28 15:31:25 UTC  

What kind? Marxist-Leninist? Maoist? Trotskyist?

2018-05-28 15:31:40 UTC  

Hi there

2018-05-28 15:31:48 UTC  

A "tankie" is generally someone who "sympathises" will Stalin. It comes from when the USSR sent tanks into Hungary in 1956, I believe.

2018-05-28 15:31:51 UTC  

Workers Paradise same as you

2018-05-28 15:31:58 UTC  

I'm Stalinist

2018-05-28 15:32:03 UTC  

So ML, then.

2018-05-28 15:32:10 UTC  

Yeah

2018-05-28 15:32:40 UTC  

Do you believe Stalinism to be true communism? According to Marxโ€™s words anyways?