oh

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hai

can i start a nazbol party

;~;

okaii

its just that my views dont align with a specific party lul

im crypto-fascist but anti-trad, i'm also socialist and anti-internationalist

yea

why so many fascists

yea

idk who to join tbh

n O

nah

i joined the socialist one

in the hopes i can sorta make it the less gay socialism

^

Strasserism, maybe

Hitlerite National Socialism is hardly socialist

Imagine being dumb enough to think Strasserism is Marxist

Yeah

Who can write descriptions in the info channels?

Ah

Would the info channels just contain a description of the ideology in the party's name, or the specific ideology set by the leader?

For instance, if the Fascist party turned NatSoc, would the info describe Nazism or Fascism?

Okaii

Ouch

Can I have my **undecided voter** role removed, please?

Thank you

I've seen it.

What is your point?

It shows clearly that Hitler has no intentions of implementing economic Socialism.

So its kinda on my side :^)

Ah

So you're using the dumb Hitlerite definitions of Socialism

@RandomDiscordAccount Hi

```Marxism is anti-property, true socialism is not.```
-Adolf Hitler.

@Dwarf I'm assuming this is the same notion you're using? If so, when has socialism ever been in favour of private property? How dumb do you have to be to not realise that Hitler's "socialism" is just antisemitic capitalism?

What?

What definition would that be @Dwarf?

@RandomDiscordAccount I was talking to Dwarf, lol

I literally quoted that though.

```Marxism is anti-property, true socialism is not.```

So can you respond to what I pointed out about it please?

This:
```I'm assuming this is the same notion you're using? If so, when has socialism ever been in favour of private property? How dumb do you have to be to not realise that Hitler's "socialism" is just antisemitic capitalism?```

What

The literal definition of socialism is that property is taken into the hands of the community.

```
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```

It isn't really Socialism, though, is it

Even most Hitlerites I've spoken to have recognized that it isn't Socialist

Marxism is a materialist framework which justifies the movement from capitalism to socialism to communism with dialectics. Strasserism is both socialist and anti-dialectical materialism. Ergo, wanting working class ownership of the means of production is not inherently Marxist, and Strasserism itself is anti-Marxist.

So there's not much point in calling yourself a socialist while rejecting socialist policies, and then calling actual existing socialism "marxist".

Stop being a dumb Hitlerite tbh

Those policies are merely policies of Social Democracy, not socialism.

Yes, Marxism's end goal is a stateless, moneyless, classless society, so what? How is that relevant to standard socialism? That's just communism.

Strasserism is Marxist Socialism without the Marxist bit :^)

What even

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

I thought we established this already.

Socialism is only labelled a transition stage under Marxism. But not all Socialism is Marxist, ergo, Socialists who want to keep a Socialist state without reaching Communism are non-marxist.

WHAT

ARE YOU THICK

Its achieved through that, yes. So what? I literally just explained the differences in the systems.

```Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.```

Yes, like I agreed, communism is achieved through socialism. But not all socialism is communist, ergo not all socialists are marxists.

Both are socialist, yes?

So what?

They're both a form of socialism. It doesn't make them the same thing you nut.

Depends what year.

Under Stalin, yes.

Before Khrushchev's liberalisation and after Lenin's death, basically.

Yeah, but this guy probably doesn't know anything about the USSR outside of propaganda, so I'm using dates which are easy for this brainlet to understand.

Fair.

Yes.

Are you going to follow that up with anything or are you just going to ask if the USSR was socialist again?

Yeah.

A lot of leftcoms and anarchists tend to call Stalin a pseudo-Socialist.

I'm not a Marxist, so I'm hardly a tankie.

I'm a strasserite, if that wasn't already established.

Same, surprisingly.

A "tankie" is generally someone who "sympathises" will Stalin. It comes from when the USSR sent tanks into Hungary in 1956, I believe.

So ML, then.

You have to remember that the Marxist-Leninist (Stalinist) state was designed to be a transition state between Socialism and Communism, so it can't be called "true communism".

According to all Marxist theory, a strong transition state is needed.

Communism is generally accepted to require global control first.

Okai

Tbh a lot of nations (particularly in Europe) are voluntarily throwing their sovereignty away.

@GermanEastAfrica Marxism basically.

Yeah

What?

Why is that directed at me? I'm both anti-Semitic and anti-communist

Yes I did.

I'm not saying its a good thing.

I'm entirely against it.

Ah.

Perhaps.

leftypol is too larpy

i visited there once and it reminded me of when fags on social media used to try and act like regular 4chan users

^ basically

^

Lol