Message from @Fuju

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2018-05-28 15:20:08 UTC  

Strasserism is Marxist Socialism without the Marxist bit :^)

2018-05-28 15:21:34 UTC  

Socialism is watered down communism and merely a transition. Strasserism is just Marxist Socialism without Marxist overtones. It’s still very left wing socialist and focuses only on the material as does Marxism.

2018-05-28 15:21:44 UTC  

What even

2018-05-28 15:21:52 UTC  

How does Socialism differ from Communism actually?

2018-05-28 15:22:14 UTC  

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

2018-05-28 15:22:19 UTC  

I thought we established this already.

2018-05-28 15:23:06 UTC  

And it’s only achieved through workers owning the means of production.

2018-05-28 15:23:10 UTC  

Socialism is only labelled a transition stage under Marxism. But not all Socialism is Marxist, ergo, Socialists who want to keep a Socialist state without reaching Communism are non-marxist.

2018-05-28 15:23:11 UTC  

So what’s the difference?

2018-05-28 15:23:14 UTC  

WHAT

2018-05-28 15:23:15 UTC  

ARE YOU THICK

2018-05-28 15:23:37 UTC  

Its achieved through that, yes. So what? I literally just explained the differences in the systems.

2018-05-28 15:23:42 UTC  

```Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.```

2018-05-28 15:24:14 UTC  

Yes, like I agreed, communism is achieved through socialism. But not all socialism is communist, ergo not all socialists are marxists.

2018-05-28 15:24:22 UTC  

Both are achieved through workers owning the means of production.

2018-05-28 15:24:34 UTC  

I agree with that, not all socialists are marxists.

2018-05-28 15:24:35 UTC  

Both are socialist, yes?

2018-05-28 15:24:40 UTC  

So what?

2018-05-28 15:24:54 UTC  

They're both a form of socialism. It doesn't make them the same thing you nut.

2018-05-28 15:25:21 UTC  

Was the Soviet Union a truly socialist country?

2018-05-28 15:25:33 UTC  

Depends what year.

2018-05-28 15:25:37 UTC  

I was between c.1929-1956

2018-05-28 15:25:37 UTC  

Under Stalin, yes.

2018-05-28 15:25:41 UTC  

It*

2018-05-28 15:26:04 UTC  

Before Khrushchev's liberalisation and after Lenin's death, basically.

2018-05-28 15:26:27 UTC  

I'd say after the end of the NEP

2018-05-28 15:26:43 UTC  

And before Khrushchev's destalinization

2018-05-28 15:27:52 UTC  

Yeah, but this guy probably doesn't know anything about the USSR outside of propaganda, so I'm using dates which are easy for this brainlet to understand.

2018-05-28 15:27:59 UTC  

Oh ok

2018-05-28 15:28:26 UTC  

Then I'll pick 1917, because politically that was the start year of socialism

2018-05-28 15:28:38 UTC  

Fair.

2018-05-28 15:28:51 UTC  

So under Stalin it was real socialism?

2018-05-28 15:28:55 UTC  

Yes.

2018-05-28 15:28:55 UTC  

Yes

2018-05-28 15:29:20 UTC  

Are you going to follow that up with anything or are you just going to ask if the USSR was socialist again?

2018-05-28 15:29:47 UTC  

No I just find it interesting how I’ve run in to many Communists/Socialists who would disagree.

2018-05-28 15:29:53 UTC  

Yeah.

2018-05-28 15:30:06 UTC  

Unless you’re both tankies or something

2018-05-28 15:30:07 UTC  

A lot of leftcoms and anarchists tend to call Stalin a pseudo-Socialist.

2018-05-28 15:30:15 UTC  

I'm not a Marxist, so I'm hardly a tankie.

2018-05-28 15:30:33 UTC  

I'm a strasserite, if that wasn't already established.