Those policies are merely policies of Social Democracy, not socialism.

Yes, Marxism's end goal is a stateless, moneyless, classless society, so what? How is that relevant to standard socialism? That's just communism.

Strasserism is Marxist Socialism without the Marxist bit :^)

Socialism is watered down communism and merely a transition. Strasserism is just Marxist Socialism without Marxist overtones. It’s still very left wing socialist and focuses only on the material as does Marxism.

What even

How does Socialism differ from Communism actually?

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

I thought we established this already.

And it’s only achieved through workers owning the means of production.

Socialism is only labelled a transition stage under Marxism. But not all Socialism is Marxist, ergo, Socialists who want to keep a Socialist state without reaching Communism are non-marxist.

So what’s the difference?

WHAT

ARE YOU THICK

Its achieved through that, yes. So what? I literally just explained the differences in the systems.

```Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.```

Yes, like I agreed, communism is achieved through socialism. But not all socialism is communist, ergo not all socialists are marxists.

Both are achieved through workers owning the means of production.

I agree with that, not all socialists are marxists.

Both are socialist, yes?

So what?

They're both a form of socialism. It doesn't make them the same thing you nut.

Was the Soviet Union a truly socialist country?

Depends what year.

I was between c.1929-1956

Under Stalin, yes.

It*

Before Khrushchev's liberalisation and after Lenin's death, basically.

I'd say after the end of the NEP

And before Khrushchev's destalinization

Yeah, but this guy probably doesn't know anything about the USSR outside of propaganda, so I'm using dates which are easy for this brainlet to understand.

Oh ok

Then I'll pick 1917, because politically that was the start year of socialism

Fair.

So under Stalin it was real socialism?

Yes.

Yes

Are you going to follow that up with anything or are you just going to ask if the USSR was socialist again?

No I just find it interesting how I’ve run in to many Communists/Socialists who would disagree.

Yeah.

Unless you’re both tankies or something

A lot of leftcoms and anarchists tend to call Stalin a pseudo-Socialist.