Message from @Dwarf
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Its achieved through that, yes. So what? I literally just explained the differences in the systems.
```Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.```
Yes, like I agreed, communism is achieved through socialism. But not all socialism is communist, ergo not all socialists are marxists.
Both are achieved through workers owning the means of production.
I agree with that, not all socialists are marxists.
Both are socialist, yes?
So what?
They're both a form of socialism. It doesn't make them the same thing you nut.
Was the Soviet Union a truly socialist country?
Depends what year.
I was between c.1929-1956
Under Stalin, yes.
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Before Khrushchev's liberalisation and after Lenin's death, basically.
I'd say after the end of the NEP
And before Khrushchev's destalinization
Yeah, but this guy probably doesn't know anything about the USSR outside of propaganda, so I'm using dates which are easy for this brainlet to understand.
Oh ok
Then I'll pick 1917, because politically that was the start year of socialism
Fair.
Yes.
Yes
Are you going to follow that up with anything or are you just going to ask if the USSR was socialist again?
No I just find it interesting how Iโve run in to many Communists/Socialists who would disagree.
Yeah.
Unless youโre both tankies or something
A lot of leftcoms and anarchists tend to call Stalin a pseudo-Socialist.
I'm not a Marxist, so I'm hardly a tankie.
I'm a strasserite, if that wasn't already established.
I often get called a tankie
Same, surprisingly.
@Advocatus Diaboli Well, youโre a communist obviously?
Though I don't even know the meaning of this word
Yes I am
What kind? Marxist-Leninist? Maoist? Trotskyist?
advocatus
you in any communist or leftist servers?
Hi there
A "tankie" is generally someone who "sympathises" will Stalin. It comes from when the USSR sent tanks into Hungary in 1956, I believe.
Workers Paradise same as you