you could move stuff around too freely

https://www.google.com/amp/s/grist.org/business-technology/why-arent-we-all-driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars/amp/

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/feb/09/medicalresearch.health\

So ^Kevin^

I was wondering if you wanted to answer that epistemology question of mine: what do you believe truth to be?

truth is not relative, truth is facts that aren't debatable

you can debate with someone about facts and truth, but even if you both conclude wrongly that the truth isn't the truth, it doesn't change the truth

you can both conclude that the sky is clearly pink or orange, even though its blue

but when you live within a reality enwhich matter is a product of quatnum manifestation "fact" is linear in a non-linear reality as the mandella effect has proven

in short "you" could see a pink sky and the world wold see you as bloody crazy; but in your reality it would be a pink sky

mandella effect has not been proven

just because it's not been proven to yourself doesn't mean it's not been proven....

So you believe in correspondence theory? That which is true is that which is actual in the material universe.

if I haven't bought into the theory, its just a theory, not a fact

What's a fact?

a fact is something I have bought into

its completely subject to my beliefs

(this is a joke)

Some epistemologists do buy into relativism

didn't I already say truth isn't relative

its not subject to someone's beliefs

Interesting

here's the thing write if i make you lemonade I know for a fact i made it; but I can't say for a fact the lemons came from X tree unless i picked them; and a lot of science is pointing at theoretical tree's saying see the lemons came from this one; while leaving all the other "tree's" of thought up in the air out of ignorance

I think what you are trying to say here is that lemons is where money comes from

that is an interesting theory I'll have to give some thought to

So would you both agree with the statement that fact is a thing that cannot be cast into doubt?

just because the majority believe in something doesn't make it a fact

Mhm.

in fact, the majority have been duped into believing false and provably wrong beliefs

ya "true" pure facts are far and few between; most of them are objective and half lies

Okay, so Mr. J seems to agree with the statement.

Kevin, do you?

ulcers is one example, where people thought it was caused by worry and we eventually learned it is curable in most cases

no, truth is something that is true, no matter if everyone agrees to the contrary

That's not what I asked

its true regardless of what people think and regardless of what facts they present that people believe

like the globe for instance

most people have been duped into believing this fairy tale

Mate, I'm asking you to define something. That kind of does not work if you use the terms I'm asking for a defintion of.

what I'm telling you is truth is the truth

hell most people believe this "reality" is the reality of matter; that this is ground 0 when we are just an expression of spirituality bound within the constraints of a greater system of "beliefes" etc