The maximum effective range is typically seen as 1000 yards. You can push it a little further but that's around when it goes through the transsonic barrier

Once it goes from supersonic to subsonic, it becomes much less stable because it hits its own shockwave

ahhh

But I would be able to hit that 300-600m range still? curious if thatd be worth doing. Just having a zoom zoom put on it and using iron sights if anything were to get to close.

although I figured lower caliber would make it less useful

Oh definitely. It's capable of reaching out to 1k but as probably the most common hunting round, hunters will typically shoot stuff under 100 yards

It's very available too, being able to use 7.62 NATO

At 300-600, it'll do a hell of a lot more damage than 556

@Tagout1221 my advice is to get a 12-18” fighting rifle (like a solgw, Sionics, bcm) and a decent LPVO, like a 1-6 razor, 1-8 Trijicon, etc. Run 77gr match ammo, and you’ll have a 600m gun all day that’s still a fighting rifle.

Long range guns are pretty specialized. People who run them professionally often times will have them packed away in a bag, and carry their carbine until they're in place.

You don’t want your primary to be a 20+lb precision gun with a 5-25.
What you seem to be looking for is the recce rifle concept

http://shop.bravocompanymfg.com/BCM-RECCE-18-MCMR-Precision-Rifle-AR15-p/bcm-rifle-862-750.htm

Throw something like a trijicon or nf 1-6 / 1-8 on top and you've got one hell of a rifle

Don’t skimp on your optic if you want a recce

If you can't have less than a 2 cm spread out to 900 yds with irons, you're not a true marksman...

havent tried it yet I'm probably not going to be able to do that at first lol

Cheapest optics I'd say are okay to get are from Primary Arms

Yes but not their cheapest

Whatever the step up is

For a recce I'd say try their 1-8 Raptor with the ACSS, GarandThumb did a video on it

For EDC I'd say minum of 60 rounds for a pistol. That's my bare minimum when I'm doing armed security. Other guys will only carry one spare magazine I will carry at least 3 spares

For a rifle as a dmr I'd carry at least 160+ rounds depending upon what calibre and the intended job. For a standard semi auto rifle I'd carry bare minimum 8+ mags

I don't carry much for regular edc. My m&p shield with 7+1, or if I'm somewhere I don't want to be, my vp9 and an extra mag. All concealed carry and loaded with federal hst

Not bad. I just prefer have the extra ammo just incase. Once the lead starts flying you'd be surprised how quickly you can shoot through ammo especially when shitting your pants lol

My first line of defense is avoiding confrontation. No one gets too close to me, and if someone's acting aggressively, I've got pepper spray in my hand, shaking it right there in front of them. It doesn't need to be shaken, but I've yet to come across someone who wants to get any closer to me when they see it.

Yep the best self defence is using your mind and your words to avoid or to de escalate a situation

Working security I do a lot of de escalation lol

I haven't encountered one yet, but if they see it, bring their arms up and roll out of the way, that's when I get ready to pull my gun because I know they've been hooked up with it before

at least that's what I was told by a guy who worked with violent criminals

to watch out for the ones who duck and roll

I’m a fan of 2 extra mags for my handgun if I can help it

I usually roll with my 3913 and two mags

But I’m also in a tiny Wi town, probably never need it

Yeah in Canada I can open carry my antique revolver in the bush so I'd carry around 36 rounds in my pistol belt

Modern pistols require an ATC an authorize to carry which is open to the public but rarely granted its mainly for armed security personnel

I think there is maybe 300 civilians in Canada who have an ATC and are not security personnel or police etc

I have an ATC but only for work outside of work it's not valid

Which is gay or love to be able to carry when I go to shitholes like Toronto

Yeah, I appreciate being able to carry at least around here without jumping through stupid hoops

Just placed an order for a Hodge 12.5" barrel, 15% off for memorial day

Yep cuckanada is pretty lame for self defence