For optics, you'll want something quality, possibly more expensive than your rifle. You won't use a thing higher than around 15 power, even shooting at a mile, because the mirage will fuck you up if you zoom in that close.
Vortex, Leopold, Nightforce, schmidt and bender, and kahles are all pretty good, vortex being the only budget option out of the bunch. If you're on a tight budget, probably the vortex diamondback tactical

Also assuming that zeroing something like that in would take forever

You can zero a precision rifle in 3-4 shots if you know what you're doing

Most people struggle with 300m shots especially if untrained or poorly trained. I would assume 600m would give me some cushion.

1. Find out where your caliber will hit at 25 yards with a 100 yard zero
2. Bore sight it at 25 yards and fire one round
3. Shoot one round at 100 yards
4. Hold your rifle still with sandbags or whatever and adjust your scope to center over where your last round hit

Then shoot another to confirm your zero and adjust as necessary

what range could one typically get with a 7.62 Nato?

The maximum effective range is typically seen as 1000 yards. You can push it a little further but that's around when it goes through the transsonic barrier

Once it goes from supersonic to subsonic, it becomes much less stable because it hits its own shockwave

ahhh

But I would be able to hit that 300-600m range still? curious if thatd be worth doing. Just having a zoom zoom put on it and using iron sights if anything were to get to close.

although I figured lower caliber would make it less useful

Oh definitely. It's capable of reaching out to 1k but as probably the most common hunting round, hunters will typically shoot stuff under 100 yards

It's very available too, being able to use 7.62 NATO

At 300-600, it'll do a hell of a lot more damage than 556

@Tagout1221 my advice is to get a 12-18” fighting rifle (like a solgw, Sionics, bcm) and a decent LPVO, like a 1-6 razor, 1-8 Trijicon, etc. Run 77gr match ammo, and you’ll have a 600m gun all day that’s still a fighting rifle.

Long range guns are pretty specialized. People who run them professionally often times will have them packed away in a bag, and carry their carbine until they're in place.

You don’t want your primary to be a 20+lb precision gun with a 5-25.
What you seem to be looking for is the recce rifle concept

http://shop.bravocompanymfg.com/BCM-RECCE-18-MCMR-Precision-Rifle-AR15-p/bcm-rifle-862-750.htm

Throw something like a trijicon or nf 1-6 / 1-8 on top and you've got one hell of a rifle

Don’t skimp on your optic if you want a recce

If you can't have less than a 2 cm spread out to 900 yds with irons, you're not a true marksman...

havent tried it yet I'm probably not going to be able to do that at first lol

Cheapest optics I'd say are okay to get are from Primary Arms

Yes but not their cheapest

Whatever the step up is

For a recce I'd say try their 1-8 Raptor with the ACSS, GarandThumb did a video on it

For EDC I'd say minum of 60 rounds for a pistol. That's my bare minimum when I'm doing armed security. Other guys will only carry one spare magazine I will carry at least 3 spares

For a rifle as a dmr I'd carry at least 160+ rounds depending upon what calibre and the intended job. For a standard semi auto rifle I'd carry bare minimum 8+ mags

I don't carry much for regular edc. My m&p shield with 7+1, or if I'm somewhere I don't want to be, my vp9 and an extra mag. All concealed carry and loaded with federal hst

Not bad. I just prefer have the extra ammo just incase. Once the lead starts flying you'd be surprised how quickly you can shoot through ammo especially when shitting your pants lol

My first line of defense is avoiding confrontation. No one gets too close to me, and if someone's acting aggressively, I've got pepper spray in my hand, shaking it right there in front of them. It doesn't need to be shaken, but I've yet to come across someone who wants to get any closer to me when they see it.

Yep the best self defence is using your mind and your words to avoid or to de escalate a situation

Working security I do a lot of de escalation lol

I haven't encountered one yet, but if they see it, bring their arms up and roll out of the way, that's when I get ready to pull my gun because I know they've been hooked up with it before

at least that's what I was told by a guy who worked with violent criminals

to watch out for the ones who duck and roll

I’m a fan of 2 extra mags for my handgun if I can help it

I usually roll with my 3913 and two mags

But I’m also in a tiny Wi town, probably never need it

Yeah in Canada I can open carry my antique revolver in the bush so I'd carry around 36 rounds in my pistol belt