Organizing around the neighborhood, offering to help senior citizens get groceries delivered, etc.

That’s what we *need*.

I'm big for voluntaryism. The government is horribly inefficient at helping people but there's stuff we can do.

Self reliance is defiance.

I put something in <#704466319793192990> given that's where I'm at

Good.

Untill guys stop posting shit like this and pictures of guns pointed at their dicks we will never be taken seirously. We seir need to grow up.

Well aware.

Isn't that the point? Newsflash the "normies" never will. I've been in this movement over 10 years whether conservative 3pers, militia I helped organize one of the largest FB gatherings of "patriotic" americans through a page called "The DC Clothesline" on FB before they turned total Alex Jones. The patriot Teams (broken up by zones example Mi, OH, IN) were a success in getting about 500k pissed off "boomers", Revolutionaries (aka boog bois) etc.
It always goes the same way.
We get pissed off stockpile shit talk shit and die old with an Arsenal like my grandfather.


How can we make this different?

Im already kicking 40's door down bois

No the point is to put out good optics.. no we wont win over everyone but alienating the ones that are center dosent help the cause.. neither does giving the media more ammunition like this to paint us as crased lunatics.. like with the guy that drove around " hunting " cops.. we should have talked him down.. or at the very least put out a public statement say he was not part of our ideals.. if you are here just to shoot cops you are in the wrong place imo. We should be promoting LIBERTY AND FREEDOM not alot cops and everyone we dont agree with. We are an speedos nation. The government has too much power and overreach with no concern to humal life..

So crazy thought, but the idea of a well organized protest that we use to get our message out?
And I dont mean a bunch of us out in full kit, or even camo that gets the MSM to dismiss us out of hand, I mean buisness casual, CC if you'd like, and do it when and where the cameras are going to be anyway. I mean in my state the governor and the mayor have daily press conferences that if say 100 peaceful people showed up to unannounced with a statement to make, that might get the ball rolling in terms of putting our message out

Lets use the current "crisis" and politician's ego against them. Its not like they're gonna stop doing there daily show and tell and most people have that crap on if for nothing else than as background noise lol

I agree with Madison. It’s great we’re all willing to go out in full kit. But once we do that we become a meme to all the people on the left that paint us as the right. Sometimes we need a different approach to get our message out

I think both sides of that coin are equally important

we require the "goons" as a deterrent to government agencies trying to push us out and snuff out our protests
but we also need the CCW well dressed groomed and well spoken gentlemen to engage with media and statemen

We gotta have an olive branch in one hand and a very mighty arrow in the other

Of course! I’m not saying get rid of the goons! Diplomatic methods only work for so long and so much. My problem is the picture that gets painted of us right now especially with the virus going on. It gives the media ammo to make us look like the conservatives crying for a haircut. We have a powerful message that a lot of people relate too but sometimes they see a bunch of armed men and assume “radical right group”

Can we tap into the Sanctuary movment?

We have to work to separate ourselves from that image
because I'm 100% certain our goons weren't there with haircut signs

And for the most part I'm pretty sure we have plenty of gripes against Trump and Republican policies

Exactly!! A wise man once said “to the right we’re liberals with guns and to the left we’re conservatives that smoke weed”

We need some individuals that are familiar with media relations

Lol idk about that but we don't fit in with the typical narrative

The point is that not many look deep enough into our message to see past certain views such as legalization of drugs and firearm ownership

While I agree, I think our immediate goal should be just getting people to look into the movement. The more that they look and engage, and the more we show what we're really like, how we're looking not for a fight that we just want to be left alone by the government, the better.

Can’t appeal if people aren’t looking into us.

> we require the "goons" as a deterrent to government agencies trying to push us out and snuff out our protests
> but we also need the CCW well dressed groomed and well spoken gentlemen to engage with media and statemen
@Dejectedhook04
So how has that worked so far... has having goon go out in full kit made any impact on any legislation at all. All it does is make us look like bullies. And get us called racist

Because the way it works is we get the people involved with us. They realize they are us, and as we grow, the people who can make things happen are going to be with us. The founders were just some guys meeting and bitching about how the British sucked. And then enough of the kind of people who make changes happen were bitching with them and then they went about MAKING the changes. Seems to me that if it worked for them, it can work for us

@Redneck_Thor we gotta work to change the culture
We make seeing full kit normal it only adds to our freedom of movement

Look into Trex arms comments on those ideas
10 years ago seeing full kit at the range even was considered laughable

today many more do so because it's been normalized

If people would actually step up and help each other then I might agree

@Redneck_Thor I honestly think that no matter what we do these days, someone trying to score political points are going to call us racist anyway. I don't really care if people call us that so long as we actually aren't racist. I personally don't give a flying fuck what color someone is or what religion they do or don't subscribe to, what matters to me is they agree to put personal liberties first and foremost.

Like the dude that got arrested at a protest recently. He was a chp holder. Noone stepped up to stop the police from arresting him. We just look like a bunch of larpers. We have to start protecting each other

@Bob Dole you are missing the point. It's fine if you dont care. And I agree. What matters is what other people believe. Especially if you are trying to change that

@Redneck_Thor easier said than done

@Redneck_Thor baby steps either ways

Not really. Cop tries to harass then 20 ppl step up and fight back.

@Redneck_Thor lots of people have families man

Hard choice to make