I agree with Madison. It’s great we’re all willing to go out in full kit. But once we do that we become a meme to all the people on the left that paint us as the right. Sometimes we need a different approach to get our message out

I think both sides of that coin are equally important

we require the "goons" as a deterrent to government agencies trying to push us out and snuff out our protests
but we also need the CCW well dressed groomed and well spoken gentlemen to engage with media and statemen

We gotta have an olive branch in one hand and a very mighty arrow in the other

Of course! I’m not saying get rid of the goons! Diplomatic methods only work for so long and so much. My problem is the picture that gets painted of us right now especially with the virus going on. It gives the media ammo to make us look like the conservatives crying for a haircut. We have a powerful message that a lot of people relate too but sometimes they see a bunch of armed men and assume “radical right group”

Can we tap into the Sanctuary movment?

We have to work to separate ourselves from that image
because I'm 100% certain our goons weren't there with haircut signs

And for the most part I'm pretty sure we have plenty of gripes against Trump and Republican policies

Exactly!! A wise man once said “to the right we’re liberals with guns and to the left we’re conservatives that smoke weed”

We need some individuals that are familiar with media relations

Lol idk about that but we don't fit in with the typical narrative

The point is that not many look deep enough into our message to see past certain views such as legalization of drugs and firearm ownership

While I agree, I think our immediate goal should be just getting people to look into the movement. The more that they look and engage, and the more we show what we're really like, how we're looking not for a fight that we just want to be left alone by the government, the better.

Can’t appeal if people aren’t looking into us.

> we require the "goons" as a deterrent to government agencies trying to push us out and snuff out our protests
> but we also need the CCW well dressed groomed and well spoken gentlemen to engage with media and statemen
@Dejectedhook04
So how has that worked so far... has having goon go out in full kit made any impact on any legislation at all. All it does is make us look like bullies. And get us called racist

Because the way it works is we get the people involved with us. They realize they are us, and as we grow, the people who can make things happen are going to be with us. The founders were just some guys meeting and bitching about how the British sucked. And then enough of the kind of people who make changes happen were bitching with them and then they went about MAKING the changes. Seems to me that if it worked for them, it can work for us

@Redneck_Thor we gotta work to change the culture
We make seeing full kit normal it only adds to our freedom of movement

Look into Trex arms comments on those ideas
10 years ago seeing full kit at the range even was considered laughable

today many more do so because it's been normalized

If people would actually step up and help each other then I might agree

@Redneck_Thor I honestly think that no matter what we do these days, someone trying to score political points are going to call us racist anyway. I don't really care if people call us that so long as we actually aren't racist. I personally don't give a flying fuck what color someone is or what religion they do or don't subscribe to, what matters to me is they agree to put personal liberties first and foremost.

Like the dude that got arrested at a protest recently. He was a chp holder. Noone stepped up to stop the police from arresting him. We just look like a bunch of larpers. We have to start protecting each other

@Bob Dole you are missing the point. It's fine if you dont care. And I agree. What matters is what other people believe. Especially if you are trying to change that

@Redneck_Thor easier said than done

@Redneck_Thor baby steps either ways

Not really. Cop tries to harass then 20 ppl step up and fight back.

@Redneck_Thor lots of people have families man

Hard choice to make

Yea I'm one of them. If it's that hard of a choice then this movement will fail. Being willing to loose everything is the only way to change

We have to be willing to loose it all .. our founders had families and riches that they risked

i see waht @Redneck_Thor is saying aswell as @Dejectedhook04 ..nobody wants to make the move because the end outcome is so uncertain.if a cop starts to arrest one of us out of a group..thats grounds for execution...ask Lemp, but nobody knows if the rest will arise to the call.and if they do then what,we dont have a solid objective atm,more of a rough draft if you will,how would we move foward when we do have a green light,these are the issues that need resolved before we do make a power play

Exactly. I appreciate any ideas or input from anyone but if you show up at an event or protest don't be there unless you realize and are ok with taking reasoned action that may nkt end well

yes

people need to understand the turning point we are currently at...we dont have guns and armor and all that jazz to look cool,or atleast you shouldnt,you have it to use it.they use theirs and we need to understand that if we are to win this or even have a chance in hell...people are going to die..talking and diplomacy are good but we have done almost all we can in that aspect..people have already died

Don't be looking for violence and make Damn sure the media, not live-stream, but the actual media is there. Lets make sure that if its gonna go south, then its gonna get out. Guys in kit getting shot won't make the news but guys in button downs who don't seem all that bad getting shot will get coverage. But again, the idea is not having that happen. We protest, make a single statement on the matter of liberty then go.

that is another good point.being silenced when it happens

scary stuff

Guys, I have an alternative idea. What is the most common thing that we have in common, our biggest complaint?

The government overreach, right?

Hang on bear with me, have 2 toddlers loose in the house. It's like herding cats

Lol same