Message from @fallot

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2017-02-24 17:47:58 UTC  

BUT

2017-02-24 17:48:00 UTC  

even the ones set to be aware

2017-02-24 17:48:01 UTC  

AND HERE IS YOUR ARGUMENT

2017-02-24 17:48:02 UTC  

I THINK

2017-02-24 17:48:06 UTC  

THEY RESPOND BETTER TO BETTER STIMULUS

2017-02-24 17:48:07 UTC  

are deluded

2017-02-24 17:48:09 UTC  

I.E.

2017-02-24 17:48:12 UTC  

TAKE THE PROLE OUT OF THE CUBICLE

2017-02-24 17:48:14 UTC  

AND PUT HIM IN A FIELD

2017-02-24 17:48:20 UTC  

AND YOU HAVE A MORE CHEERFUL AND HELPFUL PROLE

2017-02-24 17:48:22 UTC  

NOT BY A HUGE AMOUNT

2017-02-24 17:48:25 UTC  

BUT IT COULD BE IMPORTANT

2017-02-24 17:48:45 UTC  

more than that, give the prole a reason to live, ultimately, something beyond just symbol stripped of meaning, something beyond just "the way things are done"

2017-02-24 17:48:51 UTC  

A perspective of meaningfullness is a symbolic view of the world.

2017-02-24 17:49:02 UTC  

then even cubicles would be fine

2017-02-24 17:49:10 UTC  

it's not that cubicles are a problem in themselves

2017-02-24 17:49:13 UTC  

though they aren't nice

2017-02-24 17:49:26 UTC  

a subsistence peasant and a cubicle worker

2017-02-24 17:49:37 UTC  

the difference between them is not merely their immediate environment

2017-02-24 17:49:45 UTC  

the peasant had a different worldview and approach to life

2017-02-24 17:49:48 UTC  

life MEANT something else

2017-02-24 17:49:54 UTC  

even if this meaning is not something they can express

2017-02-24 17:49:56 UTC  

or even intuit

2017-02-24 17:50:01 UTC  

yet it pervades their existence

2017-02-24 17:50:11 UTC  

I think that in order to accept the idea that depersonalized consciousness is the essence of life requires the belief that the world is rational when it isn't.

2017-02-24 17:50:21 UTC  

the world is obviously rational

2017-02-24 17:50:28 UTC  

It's that that degree of separation from one's natural needs and fulfillments outlines the problem.

2017-02-24 17:50:31 UTC  

that you can understand the world

2017-02-24 17:50:33 UTC  

means it is rational

2017-02-24 17:50:39 UTC  

representations we work with are rational

2017-02-24 17:50:44 UTC  

And so the problem is more apparent in cubicles.

2017-02-24 17:50:46 UTC  

maybe you mean "sensible by human measures"

2017-02-24 17:51:06 UTC  

the world is intelligible, rational, why is it not?

2017-02-24 17:51:41 UTC  

if the representations we work with apply, that implies something

2017-02-24 17:51:46 UTC  

rather, the representations are a higher level of reality

2017-02-24 17:51:52 UTC  

what you call representations are not merely thought forms

2017-02-24 17:52:20 UTC  

but the metaphysical level of reality, whose perception is subjective

2017-02-24 17:52:38 UTC  

The world is indeed rational. We've had a pretty good track record of explaining most things we've encountered.

2017-02-24 17:52:39 UTC  

but then even sight is to some degree subjective, not a big deal

2017-02-24 17:52:52 UTC  

an irrational, chaotic world, we cannot even comprehend it

2017-02-24 17:52:55 UTC  

those explanations always collapse