Message from @diversity_is_racism
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there was nothing ever more hated and despised in *all* indo-european cultures, from Portugal to Indochina, than a lie
yes and chinese have been essentially the yellow jew since antiquity also
amoral hive creatures
China is hugely diverse I think
One thing that also crosses my mind, is how ancient philosophers never approached the ideals of truth and lie from point of utility
Simply, truth was valued in itself
And lie was despised in itself, as something against nature
There never existed the concept of "lying in order to acquire a benefit" like in Islam
Nobody ever said "truth is good because it serves society"
but simply "lie is ignoble and repulsive" period
In Norse Eddas, in Greek Philosophers, in Buddhist scholars, in Babylonian epics, everywhere you see one and the same attitude "Lie is gay"
After all, that is the main precondition of all Philosophy
odysseus lied a lot
yes of course, I was referring to ideals
LYING: IS IT GOOD, OR IS IT BAD?
PER ODYSSEUS
WE SEE THAT IT IS GOOD WHEN IT ADVANCES GOOD RESULTS,
BUT BAD WHEN IT ADVANCES BAD RESULTS
HMM
THE PHILOSOPHY OF PEER PRESSURE
THEY LIE
hypothesis: a society that is organized according to the principle of truth as much as possible, reduces the need for, or ability to produce lies and liars
the more the society corresponds to a lie, the more lying and liars are a frequent social phenomenon
a noble lie = a history of previous bad decisions
UNIVERSALISM DIES
when a lie is necessary in order to maintain good outcomes, it means that the hour is alredy way too late
WHEN SOCIETY REWARDS LIES, IT GETS MORE OF THE SAME
Donald Trump has to lie much more than Genghis Khan did
Caesar had to tell plenty of fairy tales, but not his enemies the Gauls
pluralism of opinion granters (i.e. the politicians) by definition necessitates deception
that's the problem prozak
society always rewards lies if the liar is good enough
socialism rewards lying about your needs, capitalism rewards lying about your products
to me, there is a considerable difference between a democratic society in primitivist sense, and a "political society" per Machiavelli
everything rewards lying and deceiving
deceit is the single best survival strategy on this earth
"Political societies" are somewhat quite opposed to Traditional idea
deceit + endurance = success
really a good society is one where those things are not necessary
Nazi Germany was on the surface, a quite totalitarian regime, but under the surface, a highly politicized society where political currents fought using different manners