Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd

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2017-04-22 18:31:48 UTC  

In Norse Eddas, in Greek Philosophers, in Buddhist scholars, in Babylonian epics, everywhere you see one and the same attitude "Lie is gay"

2017-04-22 18:32:23 UTC  

After all, that is the main precondition of all Philosophy

2017-04-22 18:35:45 UTC  

odysseus lied a lot

2017-04-22 18:55:55 UTC  

yes of course, I was referring to ideals

2017-04-22 18:57:20 UTC  

LYING: IS IT GOOD, OR IS IT BAD?

2017-04-22 18:57:22 UTC  

PER ODYSSEUS

2017-04-22 18:57:30 UTC  

WE SEE THAT IT IS GOOD WHEN IT ADVANCES GOOD RESULTS,

2017-04-22 18:57:37 UTC  

BUT BAD WHEN IT ADVANCES BAD RESULTS

2017-04-22 18:57:38 UTC  

HMM

2017-04-22 18:57:51 UTC  

THE PHILOSOPHY OF PEER PRESSURE

2017-04-22 18:57:56 UTC  

FUCK HUMANS

2017-04-22 18:57:56 UTC  

THEY LIE

2017-04-22 18:59:22 UTC  

hypothesis: a society that is organized according to the principle of truth as much as possible, reduces the need for, or ability to produce lies and liars

2017-04-22 18:59:45 UTC  

the more the society corresponds to a lie, the more lying and liars are a frequent social phenomenon

2017-04-22 19:01:30 UTC  

a noble lie = a history of previous bad decisions

2017-04-22 19:04:45 UTC  

UNIVERSALISM DIES

2017-04-22 19:05:07 UTC  

when a lie is necessary in order to maintain good outcomes, it means that the hour is alredy way too late

2017-04-22 19:05:09 UTC  

WHEN SOCIETY REWARDS LIES, IT GETS MORE OF THE SAME

2017-04-22 19:06:22 UTC  

Donald Trump has to lie much more than Genghis Khan did

2017-04-22 19:06:40 UTC  

Caesar had to tell plenty of fairy tales, but not his enemies the Gauls

2017-04-22 19:08:47 UTC  

pluralism of opinion granters (i.e. the politicians) by definition necessitates deception

2017-04-22 19:08:51 UTC  

that's the problem prozak

2017-04-22 19:08:56 UTC  

society always rewards lies if the liar is good enough

2017-04-22 19:09:27 UTC  

socialism rewards lying about your needs, capitalism rewards lying about your products

2017-04-22 19:09:29 UTC  

to me, there is a considerable difference between a democratic society in primitivist sense, and a "political society" per Machiavelli

2017-04-22 19:09:33 UTC  

everything rewards lying and deceiving

2017-04-22 19:09:46 UTC  

deceit is the single best survival strategy on this earth

2017-04-22 19:09:48 UTC  

"Political societies" are somewhat quite opposed to Traditional idea

2017-04-22 19:09:50 UTC  

deceit + endurance = success

2017-04-22 19:10:11 UTC  

really a good society is one where those things are not necessary

2017-04-22 19:10:42 UTC  

Nazi Germany was on the surface, a quite totalitarian regime, but under the surface, a highly politicized society where political currents fought using different manners

2017-04-22 19:11:22 UTC  

You had Hitler/Goebbels current, Himmler current, Rosenberg current, Ribbentrop current, the old guard

2017-04-22 19:11:36 UTC  

and they all formed their own circles and plotted against each others bitterly

2017-04-22 19:11:52 UTC  

kept together perhaps only thanks to Hitler's ingeniousness in managing human minds

2017-04-22 19:12:19 UTC  

deceit cannot be eliminated as a weapon

2017-04-22 19:12:53 UTC  

however, i believe we are speaking of social ideals, and there is a quite evident notable difference

2017-04-22 19:12:58 UTC  

which we cannot ignore

2017-04-22 19:13:24 UTC  

namely, somewhere, men, that means, politicians, burreaucrats, are trained in deception as a main method of acquiring results from their birth

2017-04-22 19:13:37 UTC  

in other societies, you lack this kind of competition

2017-04-22 19:13:48 UTC  

happy earth day hippie hardgreen linkolite fgts

2017-04-22 19:14:46 UTC  

one cannot say that Ottoman Empire and Frankish Kingdom had the same attitude towards deception