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After all, that is the main precondition of all Philosophy
odysseus lied a lot
yes of course, I was referring to ideals
LYING: IS IT GOOD, OR IS IT BAD?
PER ODYSSEUS
WE SEE THAT IT IS GOOD WHEN IT ADVANCES GOOD RESULTS,
BUT BAD WHEN IT ADVANCES BAD RESULTS
HMM
THE PHILOSOPHY OF PEER PRESSURE
FUCK HUMANS
THEY LIE
hypothesis: a society that is organized according to the principle of truth as much as possible, reduces the need for, or ability to produce lies and liars
the more the society corresponds to a lie, the more lying and liars are a frequent social phenomenon
a noble lie = a history of previous bad decisions
UNIVERSALISM DIES
when a lie is necessary in order to maintain good outcomes, it means that the hour is alredy way too late
WHEN SOCIETY REWARDS LIES, IT GETS MORE OF THE SAME
Donald Trump has to lie much more than Genghis Khan did
Caesar had to tell plenty of fairy tales, but not his enemies the Gauls
pluralism of opinion granters (i.e. the politicians) by definition necessitates deception
society always rewards lies if the liar is good enough
socialism rewards lying about your needs, capitalism rewards lying about your products
to me, there is a considerable difference between a democratic society in primitivist sense, and a "political society" per Machiavelli
everything rewards lying and deceiving
deceit is the single best survival strategy on this earth
"Political societies" are somewhat quite opposed to Traditional idea
deceit + endurance = success
really a good society is one where those things are not necessary
Nazi Germany was on the surface, a quite totalitarian regime, but under the surface, a highly politicized society where political currents fought using different manners
You had Hitler/Goebbels current, Himmler current, Rosenberg current, Ribbentrop current, the old guard
and they all formed their own circles and plotted against each others bitterly
kept together perhaps only thanks to Hitler's ingeniousness in managing human minds
deceit cannot be eliminated as a weapon
however, i believe we are speaking of social ideals, and there is a quite evident notable difference
which we cannot ignore
namely, somewhere, men, that means, politicians, burreaucrats, are trained in deception as a main method of acquiring results from their birth
in other societies, you lack this kind of competition
happy earth day hippie hardgreen linkolite fgts
one cannot say that Ottoman Empire and Frankish Kingdom had the same attitude towards deception
In Ottoman Empire,it was the art of living