Message from @fallot

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2017-05-03 13:29:02 UTC  

Views on narcissism

Vaknin has a prolific online presence, writing on narcissism and psychopathy.[14] His views have been solicited by the media.[3][15]

In his view, narcissists have lost their "true self", the core of their personality, which has been replaced by delusions of grandeur, a "false self". Therefore, he believes, they cannot be healed, because they do not exist as real persons, only as reflections: "The False Self replaces the narcissist's True Self and is intended to shield him from hurt and narcissistic injury by self-imputing omnipotence ... The narcissist pretends that his False Self is real and demands that others affirm this confabulation,"[16] meanwhile keeping his real-life imperfect true self under wraps.[17] Vaknin extends the concept of narcissistic supply, and introduces concepts such as primary and secondary narcissistic supply.[18] He distinguishes between cerebral and somatic narcissists; the former generate their narcissistic supply by applying their minds, the latter their bodies. He considers himself a cerebral narcissist.[19] He calls narcissistic co-dependents "inverted narcissists."[20] "[They] provide the narcissist with an obsequious, unthreatening audience...the perfect backdrop."[21] He believes that disproportionate numbers of pathological narcissists are at work in the most influential reaches of society, such as medicine, finance and politics.

2017-05-03 13:29:18 UTC  

He acknowledges that his theories on narcissism are not accepted by academics in the field, for instance his theory that narcissism is akin to a form of artificial intelligence.[5] <--- whereas I believe it is akin to a form of demonic possession

2017-05-03 13:31:28 UTC  

artificial intelligence how

2017-05-03 13:31:42 UTC  

like the person creates a separate intelligence in their own head?

2017-05-03 13:32:58 UTC  

without getting too much into the word intelligence

2017-05-03 13:32:59 UTC  

yes

2017-05-03 13:33:08 UTC  

the person creates a false identity, a false ego

2017-05-03 13:33:11 UTC  

a false intelligence

2017-05-03 13:33:17 UTC  

they create "another me"

2017-05-03 13:33:45 UTC  

that is used as a shield to cover up their TRUE "me" which for various reasons is stunted or near-absent

2017-05-03 13:34:11 UTC  

the classic stimulus would be childhood abuse

2017-05-03 13:34:23 UTC  

where the child sequesters away his true self to create an impervious facade

2017-05-03 13:34:32 UTC  

impervious doesn't mean strong willed, they can be exceptionally weak willed

2017-05-03 13:34:34 UTC  

masochistic

2017-05-03 13:34:42 UTC  

but the true self remains defended

2017-05-03 13:34:59 UTC  

exposure of the true self becomes acknowledgment of the trauma, reliving the trauma in a sense

2017-05-03 13:35:10 UTC  

as until they can get over it, their true self can never "come out"

2017-05-03 13:35:14 UTC  

and can therefore never grow

2017-05-03 13:35:22 UTC  

I believe the exact same thing occurs in homosexual men

2017-05-03 13:35:56 UTC  

why the manifestations are different I don't know, maybe it is more holistic for the narcissist etc.

2017-05-03 13:36:14 UTC  

maybe the stimuli are exclusively sexual in the homosexual case

2017-05-03 13:39:10 UTC  

A SOCIAL SELF

2017-05-03 13:39:14 UTC  

A CONSTRUCT TO MANIPULATE OTHERS

2017-05-03 13:39:15 UTC  

true self-false self theory goes far beyond the above

2017-05-03 13:39:16 UTC  

HMM

2017-05-03 13:39:49 UTC  

you could call it social self too, but there is a danger there of conflation because the false self is for most of these people, effectively their true self

2017-05-03 13:39:50 UTC  

their private self

2017-05-03 13:40:01 UTC  

some of them have insight, almost all of them will feel the hole of absence

2017-05-03 13:40:03 UTC  

of their true self

2017-05-03 13:40:30 UTC  

but they cannot really grasp it

2017-05-03 13:40:48 UTC  

I have been led to think that something similar to this state can be induced by mass media in ordinary people

2017-05-03 13:41:12 UTC  

all "hipster lies" create or come from false selves

2017-05-03 13:41:21 UTC  

where someone pretends to enjoy something, but doesn't really

2017-05-03 13:41:33 UTC  

but can even come close to, or actually fully believe that they do "enjoy" it

2017-05-03 13:41:37 UTC  

enough to identify with it strongly

2017-05-03 13:42:02 UTC  

hence the phenomenon of a mass of people who its obvious don't like metal music at all

2017-05-03 13:42:23 UTC  

but will nevertheless attempt to identify with it

2017-05-03 13:42:34 UTC  

not appropriate, they don't have another identity they want to muddy up the metal with

2017-05-03 13:43:00 UTC  

and in these cases also, there would the element that the true self is right there in the background

2017-05-03 13:43:28 UTC  

so you may actually end up with a mixed state, where someone genuinely likes one or two metal acts that for some reason they became receptive to

2017-05-03 13:43:34 UTC  

and the rest is false