Message from @fallot

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2017-05-03 04:48:32 UTC  

I don't have a FB

2017-05-03 04:48:35 UTC  

k

2017-05-03 04:48:50 UTC  

If that's your real name though, I don't know you

2017-05-03 04:48:54 UTC  

it's not

2017-05-03 04:49:41 UTC  

I don't want to dox you

2017-05-03 04:49:45 UTC  

I'll just assume I don't

2017-05-03 05:27:46 UTC  

nice article @Jossi

2017-05-03 13:25:44 UTC  

The narcissist’s inner monologue goes: “I reject everything that matters to other people, everything deemed valuable, worthwhile, meaningful, and desirable. I hold the weaklings who succumb to their emotions and drives in contempt: nothing they have or can possess or attain is of value to me. It is all meaningless.” The narcissist devalues the “commoners”, the average Joe, the pedestrian and routine, the “animalistic” (sex), and the socially conformist.

2017-05-03 13:26:10 UTC  

Thus, self-defeating, self-denying, and self-destructive behaviors and choices engender narcissistic supply because they support, demonstrate, and “prove” the superhuman nature of the narcissist, his utter titanic independence of society, of nature, and of others in interpersonal relationships. When narcissistic supply is in short supply, embarking on the path of self-negation is an efficacious shortcut to obtaining and securing. At the very least it draws astounded attention to the narcissist.

2017-05-03 13:27:26 UTC  

SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF HUMANITY

2017-05-03 13:28:00 UTC  

it really doesn't

2017-05-03 13:28:10 UTC  

maybe it sounds like what current society props up, or what succeeds in current society

2017-05-03 13:28:41 UTC  

this guy's basic ideas seem the same as mine

2017-05-03 13:29:02 UTC  

Views on narcissism

Vaknin has a prolific online presence, writing on narcissism and psychopathy.[14] His views have been solicited by the media.[3][15]

In his view, narcissists have lost their "true self", the core of their personality, which has been replaced by delusions of grandeur, a "false self". Therefore, he believes, they cannot be healed, because they do not exist as real persons, only as reflections: "The False Self replaces the narcissist's True Self and is intended to shield him from hurt and narcissistic injury by self-imputing omnipotence ... The narcissist pretends that his False Self is real and demands that others affirm this confabulation,"[16] meanwhile keeping his real-life imperfect true self under wraps.[17] Vaknin extends the concept of narcissistic supply, and introduces concepts such as primary and secondary narcissistic supply.[18] He distinguishes between cerebral and somatic narcissists; the former generate their narcissistic supply by applying their minds, the latter their bodies. He considers himself a cerebral narcissist.[19] He calls narcissistic co-dependents "inverted narcissists."[20] "[They] provide the narcissist with an obsequious, unthreatening audience...the perfect backdrop."[21] He believes that disproportionate numbers of pathological narcissists are at work in the most influential reaches of society, such as medicine, finance and politics.

2017-05-03 13:29:18 UTC  

He acknowledges that his theories on narcissism are not accepted by academics in the field, for instance his theory that narcissism is akin to a form of artificial intelligence.[5] <--- whereas I believe it is akin to a form of demonic possession

2017-05-03 13:31:28 UTC  

artificial intelligence how

2017-05-03 13:31:42 UTC  

like the person creates a separate intelligence in their own head?

2017-05-03 13:32:58 UTC  

without getting too much into the word intelligence

2017-05-03 13:32:59 UTC  

yes

2017-05-03 13:33:08 UTC  

the person creates a false identity, a false ego

2017-05-03 13:33:11 UTC  

a false intelligence

2017-05-03 13:33:17 UTC  

they create "another me"

2017-05-03 13:33:45 UTC  

that is used as a shield to cover up their TRUE "me" which for various reasons is stunted or near-absent

2017-05-03 13:34:11 UTC  

the classic stimulus would be childhood abuse

2017-05-03 13:34:23 UTC  

where the child sequesters away his true self to create an impervious facade

2017-05-03 13:34:32 UTC  

impervious doesn't mean strong willed, they can be exceptionally weak willed

2017-05-03 13:34:34 UTC  

masochistic

2017-05-03 13:34:42 UTC  

but the true self remains defended

2017-05-03 13:34:59 UTC  

exposure of the true self becomes acknowledgment of the trauma, reliving the trauma in a sense

2017-05-03 13:35:10 UTC  

as until they can get over it, their true self can never "come out"

2017-05-03 13:35:14 UTC  

and can therefore never grow

2017-05-03 13:35:22 UTC  

I believe the exact same thing occurs in homosexual men

2017-05-03 13:35:56 UTC  

why the manifestations are different I don't know, maybe it is more holistic for the narcissist etc.

2017-05-03 13:36:14 UTC  

maybe the stimuli are exclusively sexual in the homosexual case

2017-05-03 13:39:10 UTC  

A SOCIAL SELF

2017-05-03 13:39:14 UTC  

A CONSTRUCT TO MANIPULATE OTHERS

2017-05-03 13:39:15 UTC  

true self-false self theory goes far beyond the above

2017-05-03 13:39:16 UTC  

HMM