Message from @fallot

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2017-05-03 13:33:45 UTC  

that is used as a shield to cover up their TRUE "me" which for various reasons is stunted or near-absent

2017-05-03 13:34:11 UTC  

the classic stimulus would be childhood abuse

2017-05-03 13:34:23 UTC  

where the child sequesters away his true self to create an impervious facade

2017-05-03 13:34:32 UTC  

impervious doesn't mean strong willed, they can be exceptionally weak willed

2017-05-03 13:34:34 UTC  

masochistic

2017-05-03 13:34:42 UTC  

but the true self remains defended

2017-05-03 13:34:59 UTC  

exposure of the true self becomes acknowledgment of the trauma, reliving the trauma in a sense

2017-05-03 13:35:10 UTC  

as until they can get over it, their true self can never "come out"

2017-05-03 13:35:14 UTC  

and can therefore never grow

2017-05-03 13:35:22 UTC  

I believe the exact same thing occurs in homosexual men

2017-05-03 13:35:56 UTC  

why the manifestations are different I don't know, maybe it is more holistic for the narcissist etc.

2017-05-03 13:36:14 UTC  

maybe the stimuli are exclusively sexual in the homosexual case

2017-05-03 13:39:10 UTC  

A SOCIAL SELF

2017-05-03 13:39:14 UTC  

A CONSTRUCT TO MANIPULATE OTHERS

2017-05-03 13:39:15 UTC  

true self-false self theory goes far beyond the above

2017-05-03 13:39:16 UTC  

HMM

2017-05-03 13:39:49 UTC  

you could call it social self too, but there is a danger there of conflation because the false self is for most of these people, effectively their true self

2017-05-03 13:39:50 UTC  

their private self

2017-05-03 13:40:01 UTC  

some of them have insight, almost all of them will feel the hole of absence

2017-05-03 13:40:03 UTC  

of their true self

2017-05-03 13:40:30 UTC  

but they cannot really grasp it

2017-05-03 13:40:48 UTC  

I have been led to think that something similar to this state can be induced by mass media in ordinary people

2017-05-03 13:41:12 UTC  

all "hipster lies" create or come from false selves

2017-05-03 13:41:21 UTC  

where someone pretends to enjoy something, but doesn't really

2017-05-03 13:41:33 UTC  

but can even come close to, or actually fully believe that they do "enjoy" it

2017-05-03 13:41:37 UTC  

enough to identify with it strongly

2017-05-03 13:42:02 UTC  

hence the phenomenon of a mass of people who its obvious don't like metal music at all

2017-05-03 13:42:23 UTC  

but will nevertheless attempt to identify with it

2017-05-03 13:42:34 UTC  

not appropriate, they don't have another identity they want to muddy up the metal with

2017-05-03 13:43:00 UTC  

and in these cases also, there would the element that the true self is right there in the background

2017-05-03 13:43:28 UTC  

so you may actually end up with a mixed state, where someone genuinely likes one or two metal acts that for some reason they became receptive to

2017-05-03 13:43:34 UTC  

and the rest is false

2017-05-03 13:44:27 UTC  

you can apply this argument to leftism as a top-down social phenomenon, where most people deep down don't agree with it

2017-05-03 13:44:36 UTC  

but will identify with it and promote it

2017-05-03 13:44:56 UTC  

depending on how far gone they are, they will doublethink away any twinges from their consciousness (true self)

2017-05-03 13:45:34 UTC  

when doublethink starts to become a reasonable term to use, I think it is established that there would be a false self that is the source of one of the internal signals

2017-05-03 13:51:45 UTC  

that blogpost should give an idea how many different people end up at the same basic idea

2017-05-03 13:52:34 UTC  

Eastern spirituality is as well, consistent with this (the nature of the true self being a point of contention)

2017-05-03 14:40:16 UTC  

the suidlanders backed out

2017-05-03 14:40:19 UTC  

:/