Message from @fallot
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If that's your real name though, I don't know you
it's not
I don't want to dox you
I'll just assume I don't
nice article @Jossi
The narcissist’s inner monologue goes: “I reject everything that matters to other people, everything deemed valuable, worthwhile, meaningful, and desirable. I hold the weaklings who succumb to their emotions and drives in contempt: nothing they have or can possess or attain is of value to me. It is all meaningless.” The narcissist devalues the “commoners”, the average Joe, the pedestrian and routine, the “animalistic” (sex), and the socially conformist.
Thus, self-defeating, self-denying, and self-destructive behaviors and choices engender narcissistic supply because they support, demonstrate, and “prove” the superhuman nature of the narcissist, his utter titanic independence of society, of nature, and of others in interpersonal relationships. When narcissistic supply is in short supply, embarking on the path of self-negation is an efficacious shortcut to obtaining and securing. At the very least it draws astounded attention to the narcissist.
SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF HUMANITY
it really doesn't
maybe it sounds like what current society props up, or what succeeds in current society
this guy's basic ideas seem the same as mine
Views on narcissism
Vaknin has a prolific online presence, writing on narcissism and psychopathy.[14] His views have been solicited by the media.[3][15]
In his view, narcissists have lost their "true self", the core of their personality, which has been replaced by delusions of grandeur, a "false self". Therefore, he believes, they cannot be healed, because they do not exist as real persons, only as reflections: "The False Self replaces the narcissist's True Self and is intended to shield him from hurt and narcissistic injury by self-imputing omnipotence ... The narcissist pretends that his False Self is real and demands that others affirm this confabulation,"[16] meanwhile keeping his real-life imperfect true self under wraps.[17] Vaknin extends the concept of narcissistic supply, and introduces concepts such as primary and secondary narcissistic supply.[18] He distinguishes between cerebral and somatic narcissists; the former generate their narcissistic supply by applying their minds, the latter their bodies. He considers himself a cerebral narcissist.[19] He calls narcissistic co-dependents "inverted narcissists."[20] "[They] provide the narcissist with an obsequious, unthreatening audience...the perfect backdrop."[21] He believes that disproportionate numbers of pathological narcissists are at work in the most influential reaches of society, such as medicine, finance and politics.
He acknowledges that his theories on narcissism are not accepted by academics in the field, for instance his theory that narcissism is akin to a form of artificial intelligence.[5] <--- whereas I believe it is akin to a form of demonic possession
artificial intelligence how
like the person creates a separate intelligence in their own head?
without getting too much into the word intelligence
yes
a false intelligence
they create "another me"
that is used as a shield to cover up their TRUE "me" which for various reasons is stunted or near-absent
the classic stimulus would be childhood abuse
where the child sequesters away his true self to create an impervious facade
impervious doesn't mean strong willed, they can be exceptionally weak willed
masochistic
but the true self remains defended
exposure of the true self becomes acknowledgment of the trauma, reliving the trauma in a sense
as until they can get over it, their true self can never "come out"
and can therefore never grow
I believe the exact same thing occurs in homosexual men
why the manifestations are different I don't know, maybe it is more holistic for the narcissist etc.
maybe the stimuli are exclusively sexual in the homosexual case
A SOCIAL SELF
A CONSTRUCT TO MANIPULATE OTHERS
true self-false self theory goes far beyond the above
HMM
you could call it social self too, but there is a danger there of conflation because the false self is for most of these people, effectively their true self
their private self