you can spend infinite money on it and everyone will still die

@The Enlightened Shepherd how else do you ideologically subvert the base culture?

you're stretching it to absurdity @UOC

be fair

of course everyone will die

Point is, scarcity exists for it

I work in the NHS, it is a big mess too

I am, but it's already one of our biggest budget items here.

but I can see at the same time, it has considerable merits

and if there was a private setup parallel to it

it would be faultless

I have no problem with reform, including reform to a single payer system

shouldn't healthcare be a big budget item though?

it makes sense to me

it seems reasonable to me that when so many people (a nation) get together

that its for some good mass effect

Why not socialize food production ?

Maybe, if that's what it costs. I'm just exploring the problems with listing it as right vs. an entitlement. If it's a right, it's much harder (in our system) to place limits on it

doing that to a degree is also not a bad idea

Isn't food a right?

healthcare is simple

yeah, if healthcare is, food is just as much I guess

spend according to your possibilities

full stop

We all Know what that crap leads to

getting in debt to fund continuous healthcare demand is as dumb as it can get

do we? I'm not talking about complete socialization

Rationing that hurts everyone

again, stretched to absurdity

these are just dramatic gestures

Look at Canada they have rationing

putting all the food production of one country

you can declaer something a right or even better

a policy

under control of one bureaucracy / system

It's not absurd

but unless it works it wont get anywhere

is a bad idea for efficiency reasons

and that's how it worked out in the soviet shit I think you are referring to

you candeclare "OUR POLICY IS THAT EVERONE HAS ACCESS TO QUALITY FOOD" but unless you can make it work, its another gesture

and you cant