Message from @UOC
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"going to the moon is a right"
government entitlement = right pretty much
it's just semantics otherwise
rather than try to break down the emotionalism or absurdism of the symbol
it seems a better idea to me to construct the middle position out of it
to see if that is workable, sensible etc.
well, it stops being a semantics issue when it comes to congressional funding and judicial review. A right gets different judicial review than a mere entitlement program.
but I agree with you broadly, I have no problem with a middle ground
if the supreme court interpreted "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness" to include the right to healthcare it would have markedly different effects than just going to single payer healthcare by a law enacted by congress
why dont peope just call it the way it is "i think government should pay for people's healthcare"
why do shitlibs just have to state everything in abstract ideological maxims
because "right" sounds better than "entitlement" i guess
it's the same on both sides, it's how people think
and also, they make it a moral issue
yeah
as it follows from their first principles
and for that matter so does the opposition, because similar first principle issues
American healthcare is a big, rotten, corrupt mess, perhaps partially by design
Positive rights are cancer
healthcare in particular is worrying because it's not a demand that can be satisfied
@The Enlightened Shepherd how else do you ideologically subvert the base culture?
be fair
of course everyone will die
Point is, scarcity exists for it
I work in the NHS, it is a big mess too
I am, but it's already one of our biggest budget items here.
but I can see at the same time, it has considerable merits
and if there was a private setup parallel to it
it would be faultless
I have no problem with reform, including reform to a single payer system
shouldn't healthcare be a big budget item though?
it makes sense to me
it seems reasonable to me that when so many people (a nation) get together
that its for some good mass effect
Why not socialize food production ?
Maybe, if that's what it costs. I'm just exploring the problems with listing it as right vs. an entitlement. If it's a right, it's much harder (in our system) to place limits on it
doing that to a degree is also not a bad idea
Isn't food a right?
healthcare is simple