it seems reasonable to me that when so many people (a nation) get together

that its for some good mass effect

Why not socialize food production ?

Maybe, if that's what it costs. I'm just exploring the problems with listing it as right vs. an entitlement. If it's a right, it's much harder (in our system) to place limits on it

doing that to a degree is also not a bad idea

Isn't food a right?

healthcare is simple

yeah, if healthcare is, food is just as much I guess

spend according to your possibilities

full stop

We all Know what that crap leads to

getting in debt to fund continuous healthcare demand is as dumb as it can get

do we? I'm not talking about complete socialization

Rationing that hurts everyone

again, stretched to absurdity

these are just dramatic gestures

Look at Canada they have rationing

putting all the food production of one country

you can declaer something a right or even better

a policy

under control of one bureaucracy / system

It's not absurd

but unless it works it wont get anywhere

is a bad idea for efficiency reasons

and that's how it worked out in the soviet shit I think you are referring to

you candeclare "OUR POLICY IS THAT EVERONE HAS ACCESS TO QUALITY FOOD" but unless you can make it work, its another gesture

and you cant

however is it in principle a bad idea for government to have some degree of food production as a safety net or plan for black swan event?

absolutely not

i mean you can to extent to which you have material foundation for it

production or storage

Just curious, can a doctor operate a private practice in the Uk ?

not like the US, but yes

@fallot explain

it's bad though

What i'm suggesting is not that absurd, fallot. Our system is already highly concentrated at the very top - the sickest 1% or so account for like 40-50% of our healthcare costs. If we move to guarantee treatment as a right we're looking at an enormous tax burden increase.

I can't simply by myself open up a clinic where I see patients

however, I can group up with a bunch of other specialists and start my own private healthcare firm

today's food situation is a typical example of what happens when standards replace reality

we have tons of surplus food that according to "standards" is healthy

and even acessible