Message from @UOC

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2017-05-31 15:03:40 UTC  

covfefe

2017-05-31 15:03:50 UTC  

never forget

2017-05-31 15:37:31 UTC  

coffvee
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focevef

2017-05-31 15:38:38 UTC  

3-15-22-6-5-6-5

2017-05-31 15:39:06 UTC  

somebody translate covfefe into hebrew

2017-05-31 15:44:52 UTC  

here's a sentence that utterly baffles me: "healthcare is a right."

2017-05-31 15:47:55 UTC  

healthcare should be a right guaranteed in a modern democratic nation state

2017-05-31 15:48:03 UTC  

is how to read it I guess

2017-05-31 15:53:02 UTC  

it's still nonsense in the american system. We don't guarantee positive rights.

2017-05-31 15:53:22 UTC  

they mean it should be a government entitlement like social security is my guess

2017-05-31 15:54:06 UTC  

i said it, therefore reality

2017-05-31 15:54:16 UTC  

seriously

2017-05-31 15:54:22 UTC  

"going to the moon is a right"

2017-05-31 15:55:28 UTC  

government entitlement = right pretty much

2017-05-31 15:55:42 UTC  

it's just semantics otherwise

2017-05-31 15:55:57 UTC  

rather than try to break down the emotionalism or absurdism of the symbol

2017-05-31 15:56:06 UTC  

it seems a better idea to me to construct the middle position out of it

2017-05-31 15:56:11 UTC  

to see if that is workable, sensible etc.

2017-05-31 15:56:24 UTC  

well, it stops being a semantics issue when it comes to congressional funding and judicial review. A right gets different judicial review than a mere entitlement program.

2017-05-31 15:56:37 UTC  

but I agree with you broadly, I have no problem with a middle ground

2017-05-31 15:57:52 UTC  

if the supreme court interpreted "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness" to include the right to healthcare it would have markedly different effects than just going to single payer healthcare by a law enacted by congress

2017-05-31 15:58:00 UTC  

why dont peope just call it the way it is "i think government should pay for people's healthcare"

2017-05-31 15:58:16 UTC  

why do shitlibs just have to state everything in abstract ideological maxims

2017-05-31 15:58:17 UTC  

because "right" sounds better than "entitlement" i guess

2017-05-31 15:58:26 UTC  

it's the same on both sides, it's how people think

2017-05-31 15:58:30 UTC  

and also, they make it a moral issue

2017-05-31 15:58:32 UTC  

yeah

2017-05-31 15:58:36 UTC  

as it follows from their first principles

2017-05-31 15:58:48 UTC  

and for that matter so does the opposition, because similar first principle issues

2017-05-31 15:59:32 UTC  

American healthcare is a big, rotten, corrupt mess, perhaps partially by design

2017-05-31 16:00:08 UTC  

Positive rights are cancer

2017-05-31 16:00:55 UTC  

healthcare in particular is worrying because it's not a demand that can be satisfied

2017-05-31 16:01:05 UTC  

you can spend infinite money on it and everyone will still die

2017-05-31 16:01:10 UTC  

@The Enlightened Shepherd how else do you ideologically subvert the base culture?

2017-05-31 16:01:28 UTC  

you're stretching it to absurdity @UOC

2017-05-31 16:01:29 UTC  

be fair

2017-05-31 16:01:35 UTC  

of course everyone will die

2017-05-31 16:01:48 UTC  

Point is, scarcity exists for it

2017-05-31 16:01:50 UTC  

I work in the NHS, it is a big mess too

2017-05-31 16:01:55 UTC  

I am, but it's already one of our biggest budget items here.

2017-05-31 16:01:59 UTC  

but I can see at the same time, it has considerable merits