Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd

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2017-06-28 17:11:39 UTC  

To me, Roman aristocratic ideal (the way it is described as such in all testimonies) is the form which elevates the marriage to the level of an institution in the most desirable way

2017-06-28 17:11:50 UTC  

hold up

2017-06-28 17:11:53 UTC  

so that it really represents a pillar so to speak

2017-06-28 17:11:56 UTC  

you got off into weird abstractions again

2017-06-28 17:12:00 UTC  

I no longer know what you are talking about

2017-06-28 17:12:01 UTC  

and not merely an outburst of biological forces

2017-06-28 17:12:19 UTC  

so last I heard, family life was bad for men because it is distracting, overwhelming, emotional etc. and prohibits spirituality or other pursuits

2017-06-28 17:12:29 UTC  

It doesn't prohibit

2017-06-28 17:12:31 UTC  

elaborate on those three factors of family life

2017-06-28 17:12:34 UTC  

But makes suboptimal, difficult

2017-06-28 17:12:52 UTC  

Depends on the level of one's devotion

2017-06-28 17:12:56 UTC  

I'm having ascetics in mind

2017-06-28 17:13:12 UTC  

Many philosophers, who were equally devoted to thought, complained about the same difficulties

2017-06-28 17:13:21 UTC  

okay

2017-06-28 17:13:29 UTC  

But we are to consider thought way more easier than life of an ascetic

2017-06-28 17:13:39 UTC  

so by "ascetic" do you mean something along the lines of "lives alone, owns minimal things, minimal distractions" etc?

2017-06-28 17:13:44 UTC  

*fixed*

2017-06-28 17:13:51 UTC  

yes

2017-06-28 17:13:54 UTC  

okay

2017-06-28 17:14:01 UTC  

and this is for what purpose?

2017-06-28 17:14:08 UTC  

Meditation comes to mind

2017-06-28 17:14:23 UTC  

Impossible to pursue inside any household with other people

2017-06-28 17:14:30 UTC  

why?

2017-06-28 17:14:49 UTC  

In fact, the existence of monkish institutions, serves so monks could encourage each other as well

2017-06-28 17:15:07 UTC  

why can you not meditate in a household exactly?

2017-06-28 17:15:15 UTC  

Get some guidance in meditative techniques, try it and you will see

2017-06-28 17:15:40 UTC  

no, be specific. is it noise? being too close to your worldly cares?

2017-06-28 17:15:55 UTC  

the latter is a good point, among others

2017-06-28 17:16:15 UTC  

presence of other beings in one way or another makes optimal conditions more difficult to achieve

2017-06-28 17:16:17 UTC  

in terms of space

2017-06-28 17:16:21 UTC  

silence

2017-06-28 17:16:25 UTC  

schedules

2017-06-28 17:16:35 UTC  

preparation of meals

2017-06-28 17:16:37 UTC  

okay, then a few items for your consideration

2017-06-28 17:16:47 UTC  

so it's basically noise + proximity + chores so far

2017-06-28 17:17:05 UTC  

the very organization of daily life in accordance with certain standards

2017-06-28 17:17:20 UTC  

noise: you are the man of the house, make people behave. If they do not behave, hit them.

2017-06-28 17:17:29 UTC  

that is why God gave you great physical power

2017-06-28 17:17:43 UTC  

that very act of hitting somebody would be exactly the type of distraction you want to avoid

2017-06-28 17:17:46 UTC  

proximity: you could leave your household and go somewhere else to meditate, even set aside an entire unscheduled day for it

2017-06-28 17:17:59 UTC  

chores: see above