Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd

Discord ID: 329670286523760640


2017-06-28 17:06:06 UTC  

If we accept scientific proposition, which says that everything is basically mechanical

2017-06-28 17:06:25 UTC  

Then such a perfectly mechanical cultural event would be quite fitting in fact

2017-06-28 17:07:48 UTC  

so what is it you are even trying to say about marriage, then? you said marriage was no good because reasons, so what ought to be done instead?

2017-06-28 17:08:06 UTC  

Hmmmm

2017-06-28 17:08:37 UTC  

I wouldn't say that generally marriage is no good, but that it certainly is inferior to not getting married - from purely individual perspective

2017-06-28 17:09:04 UTC  

not getting married and having children, not getting married and sleeping around without children, or not getting married and remaining celibate?

2017-06-28 17:09:07 UTC  

My idea of perfect marriage, if I need to make examples

2017-06-28 17:09:10 UTC  

see you have to specify to make sense

2017-06-28 17:09:12 UTC  

would be Roman Republic

2017-06-28 17:09:40 UTC  

so specify what you mean and then indicate with one women or many if any sex is still involved

2017-06-28 17:09:43 UTC  

not getting married and having children and not getting married and celibacy would be superior for an individual male

2017-06-28 17:10:00 UTC  

okay, now we're getting somewhere. why is that?

2017-06-28 17:10:21 UTC  

Because family life is unsuitable for spiritual and other pursuits

2017-06-28 17:10:30 UTC  

okay, how so?

2017-06-28 17:10:33 UTC  

It's distracting, overwhelming, emmotional

2017-06-28 17:11:39 UTC  

To me, Roman aristocratic ideal (the way it is described as such in all testimonies) is the form which elevates the marriage to the level of an institution in the most desirable way

2017-06-28 17:11:50 UTC  

hold up

2017-06-28 17:11:53 UTC  

so that it really represents a pillar so to speak

2017-06-28 17:11:56 UTC  

you got off into weird abstractions again

2017-06-28 17:12:00 UTC  

I no longer know what you are talking about

2017-06-28 17:12:01 UTC  

and not merely an outburst of biological forces

2017-06-28 17:12:19 UTC  

so last I heard, family life was bad for men because it is distracting, overwhelming, emotional etc. and prohibits spirituality or other pursuits

2017-06-28 17:12:29 UTC  

It doesn't prohibit

2017-06-28 17:12:31 UTC  

elaborate on those three factors of family life

2017-06-28 17:12:34 UTC  

But makes suboptimal, difficult

2017-06-28 17:12:52 UTC  

Depends on the level of one's devotion

2017-06-28 17:12:56 UTC  

I'm having ascetics in mind

2017-06-28 17:13:12 UTC  

Many philosophers, who were equally devoted to thought, complained about the same difficulties

2017-06-28 17:13:21 UTC  

okay

2017-06-28 17:13:29 UTC  

But we are to consider thought way more easier than life of an ascetic

2017-06-28 17:13:39 UTC  

so by "ascetic" do you mean something along the lines of "lives alone, owns minimal things, minimal distractions" etc?

2017-06-28 17:13:44 UTC  

*fixed*

2017-06-28 17:13:51 UTC  

yes

2017-06-28 17:13:54 UTC  

okay

2017-06-28 17:14:01 UTC  

and this is for what purpose?

2017-06-28 17:14:08 UTC  

Meditation comes to mind

2017-06-28 17:14:23 UTC  

Impossible to pursue inside any household with other people

2017-06-28 17:14:30 UTC  

why?

2017-06-28 17:14:49 UTC  

In fact, the existence of monkish institutions, serves so monks could encourage each other as well

2017-06-28 17:15:07 UTC  

why can you not meditate in a household exactly?

2017-06-28 17:15:15 UTC  

Get some guidance in meditative techniques, try it and you will see