Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd
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If we accept scientific proposition, which says that everything is basically mechanical
Then such a perfectly mechanical cultural event would be quite fitting in fact
so what is it you are even trying to say about marriage, then? you said marriage was no good because reasons, so what ought to be done instead?
Hmmmm
I wouldn't say that generally marriage is no good, but that it certainly is inferior to not getting married - from purely individual perspective
not getting married and having children, not getting married and sleeping around without children, or not getting married and remaining celibate?
My idea of perfect marriage, if I need to make examples
see you have to specify to make sense
would be Roman Republic
so specify what you mean and then indicate with one women or many if any sex is still involved
not getting married and having children and not getting married and celibacy would be superior for an individual male
okay, now we're getting somewhere. why is that?
Because family life is unsuitable for spiritual and other pursuits
okay, how so?
It's distracting, overwhelming, emmotional
To me, Roman aristocratic ideal (the way it is described as such in all testimonies) is the form which elevates the marriage to the level of an institution in the most desirable way
hold up
so that it really represents a pillar so to speak
you got off into weird abstractions again
I no longer know what you are talking about
so last I heard, family life was bad for men because it is distracting, overwhelming, emotional etc. and prohibits spirituality or other pursuits
It doesn't prohibit
elaborate on those three factors of family life
But makes suboptimal, difficult
Depends on the level of one's devotion
I'm having ascetics in mind
Many philosophers, who were equally devoted to thought, complained about the same difficulties
okay
But we are to consider thought way more easier than life of an ascetic
so by "ascetic" do you mean something along the lines of "lives alone, owns minimal things, minimal distractions" etc?
*fixed*
yes
okay
and this is for what purpose?
Meditation comes to mind
Impossible to pursue inside any household with other people
why?
In fact, the existence of monkish institutions, serves so monks could encourage each other as well
why can you not meditate in a household exactly?
Get some guidance in meditative techniques, try it and you will see