Message from @fallot
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For this fetish
Is there a difference between "fetish" and what africans do like is it sexuality as just another expression of a fundamental barbarism or something
It's in Dubai as it can't be anywhere else.
@fallot I think the other axis of the hierarchies thing we were talking about is the difference between people who view society as moving toward some better, higher, more perfect state of humanity and away from our fundamental nature. And people who see things as more cyclical or eternal and accept the fundamental human nature.
And the linear view is a very christian, particularly a very protestant view
Moldbug is right about the modern left being basically nothing more than secular protestants from some perspectives. That's why they freak out whenever any right wing thing happens - because it's not supposed to happen in a very visceral, fabric-of-reality sense
They have the reaction to non-linearity in politics that people in lovecraft stories have to Dagon or whatever
*the thing that should not be*
a Christian can see society moving towards an ideal of godliness
Well I think it's particularly protestant to see a flattening of hierarchies as moving closer to "heaven"
I can see it as two axes but I would agree that we're only in like one quadrant of the plane or whatever
I don't think that's specifically protestant, rather such a mindset proliferated amongst westerners who became protestant
first
probably because of their own rebellion against hierarchy
modern religious protestants are anything but this
Yeah I tend to agree, I think people are less motivated by religion and more often use religion to achieve their goals
subconsciously maybe
modern protestants in the US vary. I have a weird degree of insight into this due to very religious parents lol
but I think you're broadly right about the religious ones, although Episcopalians are pretty god damn degenerate
I'm very sympathetic to religious positions in politics but I'm not ultimately very religious. I think it makes sense to develop a basis for a secular right. There are a lot of atheists and they all vote left
yeah im spiritual but not religious
I think any "secular right" is doomed to fail
it will eventually become leftism
lemme make a very basic argument to you
I won't be offended at all if you think its dumb or unworkable and it's also not very developed
please, I'd love to hear it
I don't necessarily disagree that any secular right will become leftist either, I want to explore that later
I think I've read this before, reading
you can skim the first part, it's just background
why don't you go on while I read
nah that's the argument.
so the argument is utilitarianism
is that right?
Maybe a derivation of utilitarianism.
But more of a law and econ point about transaction costs
it's the same as prozakian nihilism
this kind of pragmatic/utilitarian ideology will always fail, it is inferior to leftism