Message from @vry_o
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a Christian can see society moving towards an ideal of godliness
Well I think it's particularly protestant to see a flattening of hierarchies as moving closer to "heaven"
I can see it as two axes but I would agree that we're only in like one quadrant of the plane or whatever
I don't think that's specifically protestant, rather such a mindset proliferated amongst westerners who became protestant
first
probably because of their own rebellion against hierarchy
modern religious protestants are anything but this
Yeah I tend to agree, I think people are less motivated by religion and more often use religion to achieve their goals
subconsciously maybe
modern protestants in the US vary. I have a weird degree of insight into this due to very religious parents lol
but I think you're broadly right about the religious ones, although Episcopalians are pretty god damn degenerate
I'm very sympathetic to religious positions in politics but I'm not ultimately very religious. I think it makes sense to develop a basis for a secular right. There are a lot of atheists and they all vote left
yeah im spiritual but not religious
I think any "secular right" is doomed to fail
it will eventually become leftism
lemme make a very basic argument to you
I won't be offended at all if you think its dumb or unworkable and it's also not very developed
please, I'd love to hear it
I don't necessarily disagree that any secular right will become leftist either, I want to explore that later
I think I've read this before, reading
you can skim the first part, it's just background
why don't you go on while I read
nah that's the argument.
so the argument is utilitarianism
is that right?
Maybe a derivation of utilitarianism.
But more of a law and econ point about transaction costs
it's the same as prozakian nihilism
this kind of pragmatic/utilitarian ideology will always fail, it is inferior to leftism
in moral terms
I agree
PC leftism will always be morally superior to it
My goal was to come up with a way to justify a secular right-ism
I think nationalism is a temporarily workable solution
I think the best argument is the transaction costs point, but I think it will always be eroded
basically an antichrist ideology that raises the nation to god levels
fascism++
that in theory could work for a few generations at least