Well I think it's particularly protestant to see a flattening of hierarchies as moving closer to "heaven"

I can see it as two axes but I would agree that we're only in like one quadrant of the plane or whatever

I don't think that's specifically protestant, rather such a mindset proliferated amongst westerners who became protestant

first

probably because of their own rebellion against hierarchy

modern religious protestants are anything but this

Yeah I tend to agree, I think people are less motivated by religion and more often use religion to achieve their goals

subconsciously maybe

modern protestants in the US vary. I have a weird degree of insight into this due to very religious parents lol

but I think you're broadly right about the religious ones, although Episcopalians are pretty god damn degenerate

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/can-we-have-common-sense-without-god.html

I'm very sympathetic to religious positions in politics but I'm not ultimately very religious. I think it makes sense to develop a basis for a secular right. There are a lot of atheists and they all vote left

yeah im spiritual but not religious

I think any "secular right" is doomed to fail

it will eventually become leftism

lemme make a very basic argument to you

I won't be offended at all if you think its dumb or unworkable and it's also not very developed

please, I'd love to hear it

I don't necessarily disagree that any secular right will become leftist either, I want to explore that later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizBVqcAn0o

@fallot https://nonaurosedferro.wordpress.com/2017/01/27/a-model-for-secular-conservative-thought/

I think I've read this before, reading

you can skim the first part, it's just background

why don't you go on while I read

nah that's the argument.

so the argument is utilitarianism

is that right?

Maybe a derivation of utilitarianism.

But more of a law and econ point about transaction costs

it's the same as prozakian nihilism

this kind of pragmatic/utilitarian ideology will always fail, it is inferior to leftism

in moral terms

I agree

PC leftism will always be morally superior to it

My goal was to come up with a way to justify a secular right-ism

I think nationalism is a temporarily workable solution

I think the best argument is the transaction costs point, but I think it will always be eroded

basically an antichrist ideology that raises the nation to god levels

fascism++

that in theory could work for a few generations at least

the other argument I am still going to write at some point is basically Filmer's argument filtered through Darwin, which is that all authority flows from Fatherhood, which imposes a non-theological hierarchy