Message from @diversity_is_racism
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1. You are amused at the general nobility of Hellenic manners, the good natured spirits, the overal mental balance, sometimes chuckling at the immaturity of their social reflexes
2. On the other hand you cannot shake off the feeling that it is all a slow-paced geriatric drivel
Symposium is unbelievably geriatric in its sentimentality
The funniest thing is that when I grow old, I'll probably think how I was blind my whole life, when In fact I simply grew old and sentimental
HIndus wrote better and more soberly on love
Yes, even these Hindu geriatrics wrote on love with more potentiality, possibly because of better climate, well hello there mister biological reductionist
I DO NOT SEE IT AS GERIATRIC BUT MERELY SENTIMENTAL
THESE WERE MEN WHO BELIEVED IN QUALITATIVE GOODNESS
SOMETHING THAT IS LOST TO MOST OF US NOW
TO THEM, LIFE WAS PRECIOUS AND EASILY DAMAGED
EVEN BY IDEAS
Yes, but It kind of makes me uneasy to read the most acclaimed Philosophers and to see that they didnt really bother to hit the very center
I mean, I understand their point, and their good purposes
However, say about love, they didn't really go to the very end in unraveling that
It is all aimed at beauty *but from a decidedly geriatric perspective*
Define geriatric
I refuse to do that
I can't help but think that Zen's idea of beauty is more decisive, both infinite but also devoid of idiosyncrasies, if somewhat fatalistic, but certainly transcends Doric drunkenness with soft feelings
Rome on the other hand ❤
THESE ARE NOT SOFT FEELINGS
A FORM OF LOVE FOR THE INTANGIBLE
ZEN CAN BE INFLUENTIAL BUT I FIND IT ULTIMATELY A FIXATION ON SOME BASIC IDEAS
Hmmm, I don't think Zen is fixed on any single idea, in fact, Zen contains absolutely no ideas at all
I was more thinking on the translation of Zen spirit into the ethical and aesthetic, that is to my comprehension more mature
In fact, from the position of pure aestheticism, Doric style and Zen style are essentially manifestations of one and the same
But from the perspective of the beauty of feelings and the comprehension of vital energies translating into social complexes such as love and romance, Plato was almost on par with Dostoevsky in his idealism.
Geriatric aesthetes for sure ! The extent to which they refuse to deal directly with ugly things at all in their writings. To them, maintenance of only pure, noble, soft and elevated "forms" at all times was almost like a necessary nutrient
Diogenes was the best Greek
ZEN IS DEFINITELY A SINGLE IDEA
NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT CLAIMS OTHERWISE
I FIND IT KIND OF SIMPLE ACTUALLY
IT IS A CERTAIN TYPE OF REALISM
BASED NOT ON TRANSCENDENTALISM BUT TEMPORALISM
SORT OF LIKE HINDUISM CROSSED WITH SHINTO
Mahayana -> chan + Shinto = zen
CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME
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DIOGENES WAS FUN BECAUSE HE WAS A LITERALIST
REALISM IS A BIT MORE IDEALISTIC
IN THE SENSE OF GERMANIC IDEALISM