Message from @Ironsides

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2018-10-01 08:55:49 UTC  

I wouldn't blame Hitler for the stigma lol, blame your guy's enemies lol

2018-10-01 08:55:55 UTC  

But as for the campaign in the USSR

2018-10-01 08:57:03 UTC  

The campaign in geographic Russia was very strong, I personally attribute the failure of Fall Blau to their defeat in the war(ironically it failed because the general staff betrayed hitlers orders and tried to brute force moscow instead of achieve the actual strategic goal)

2018-10-01 08:57:07 UTC  

Also National Socialism as German-centric as it is would not work in a place like the US. The US is not monolithic.

2018-10-01 08:57:44 UTC  

Well National Socialism in its essence was Racialist Fascism(or even Dharmic Fasicsm), it could be used as a framework for anybody.

2018-10-01 08:59:02 UTC  

And for the US part, I'd say thats evident of the accelerating societal decline Western countries are facing

2018-10-01 08:59:11 UTC  

As Spengler puts it, the `civilization phase`

2018-10-01 08:59:45 UTC  

It's not practical

2018-10-01 09:00:18 UTC  

How is it not practical? I'm not even an exponent of it but I think the world saw its practicality manifest during its armed struggle against the world.

2018-10-01 09:00:32 UTC  

Where it fought extraordinarily well

2018-10-01 09:01:24 UTC  

Unless you can somehow breed the leftism out, the establishment of any ethnostate here in the US would be very costly

2018-10-01 09:01:49 UTC  

Are you a civnat?

2018-10-01 09:01:56 UTC  

or cultural nat however you want to call it

2018-10-01 09:02:08 UTC  

No

2018-10-01 09:02:42 UTC  

I mean, I think fascists primary goal should be eliminating the influence of the current hegemony

2018-10-01 09:02:49 UTC  

I'm saying there will be no peaceful way to establish any system

2018-10-01 09:02:56 UTC  

Well thats not necessarily a bad thing

2018-10-01 09:03:25 UTC  

There is no non violence in modernity, there is only cowardly violence, and open unashamed violence for a worthy cause

2018-10-01 09:05:27 UTC  

Also the concept is not inherently universal, although it can be

2018-10-01 09:05:34 UTC  

But in practice every nation has its own issues

2018-10-01 09:07:23 UTC  

Which is why I aim to "Americanize" the European model to some degree that is congruent with the culture of a more pragmatic America before it became a bastardized poster modernist fantasy

2018-10-01 09:07:42 UTC  

The variant of Fascism I subscribe to is Integralism

2018-10-01 09:07:49 UTC  

National Integralism

2018-10-01 09:08:24 UTC  

America before it became bastardized was a white state by white people for white people

2018-10-01 09:10:14 UTC  

More or less although I believe there are groups of non-whites that pretty much earned their right to be here

2018-10-01 09:11:12 UTC  

So are you saying that you can take someone who has merit and is an asset to society (being an engineer or a doctor) and just shove them aside because they're a different skin color? That's not very pragmatic and you're throwing away talent.

2018-10-01 09:11:49 UTC  

As few as they are.

2018-10-01 09:12:40 UTC  

Race mixing unironically hurts everybody

2018-10-01 09:13:05 UTC  

So any financial benefit you get from having other people is automatically negated in the long run

2018-10-01 09:13:22 UTC  

This is supported by regression toward the mean, for example

2018-10-01 09:13:45 UTC  

I don't quite agree but I can see where people come from

2018-10-01 09:14:03 UTC  

A person of a characteristically tall race mixes with a person of the opposite, the offspring will not be as short as the shorter but not as tall as the taller

2018-10-01 09:14:15 UTC  

I mean its not really a debated phenomena its pretty well recorded

2018-10-01 09:14:37 UTC  

My problem with white nationalism is where do they draw the line? First it'll be race mixing, next it'll be eugenics.

2018-10-01 09:15:23 UTC  

I mean its not really about white nationalism, i think thats a redundancy that resulted from the perversion of what constitutes a nation by the enlightenment

2018-10-01 09:15:31 UTC  

To me a nation is a group of people who are ancestrally related

2018-10-01 09:15:41 UTC  

And I dont really see an issue with eugenics

2018-10-01 09:15:48 UTC  

I abhor it

2018-10-01 09:15:57 UTC  

Why

2018-10-01 09:16:03 UTC  

It leads to dangerous paths

2018-10-01 09:16:07 UTC  

and mindsets