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What was its purpose
No im demonstrating a very prominent example of state interest being congruent with national interest being negative
Which seems to be the goal of the fascist conception of the state
Yeah but nations often dont agree with the path that should be taken, the states entire function is to adjudicate.
Internally agree, to clarify
But fascism is an exponent of representative government, at least thats what i gather from its intellectuals
I don't really subscribe to the aristotelian classifications of governmental structures so when I say representative I mean it literally, not necessitating democracy or republicanism, but the state making its interests congruent with the interests of the people.
Like I can get where they are coming from. Like Hitler and his idea of the Volkish state, but again, the national interests are often not `good`.
And I'll also acknowledge that qualifying `good` is a separate problem
`It sounds horrible but frankly if there are people out there who want to shut me down or want to put this nation in danger, I want them out of here. Pack your crap and go!`
Also a side note on this, its not horrible, I tend to agree with Schmitt on the function of politics, put simply `us and them`
I'd argue that it was the best time to go considering Hitler's goals. Commonwealth was at its weakest point, Germany at its strongest. If anything Hitler wasn't ruthless enough.
He avoided totally mobilizing the economy for far too long, he avoided saturation bombings on urban centers for too long as well.
I read somewhere it was because he was hoping for the UK to sign a peace with them but I cant substantiate that.
What are some of your contentions with Hitler and National Socialism?
I agree with Devi's assertion that he was an avatar for the volk
I wouldn't blame Hitler for the stigma lol, blame your guy's enemies lol
But as for the campaign in the USSR
The campaign in geographic Russia was very strong, I personally attribute the failure of Fall Blau to their defeat in the war(ironically it failed because the general staff betrayed hitlers orders and tried to brute force moscow instead of achieve the actual strategic goal)
Well National Socialism in its essence was Racialist Fascism(or even Dharmic Fasicsm), it could be used as a framework for anybody.
And for the US part, I'd say thats evident of the accelerating societal decline Western countries are facing
As Spengler puts it, the `civilization phase`
How is it not practical? I'm not even an exponent of it but I think the world saw its practicality manifest during its armed struggle against the world.
Where it fought extraordinarily well
Are you a civnat?
or cultural nat however you want to call it
I mean, I think fascists primary goal should be eliminating the influence of the current hegemony
Well thats not necessarily a bad thing
There is no non violence in modernity, there is only cowardly violence, and open unashamed violence for a worthy cause
America before it became bastardized was a white state by white people for white people
Race mixing unironically hurts everybody
So any financial benefit you get from having other people is automatically negated in the long run
This is supported by regression toward the mean, for example
A person of a characteristically tall race mixes with a person of the opposite, the offspring will not be as short as the shorter but not as tall as the taller
I mean its not really a debated phenomena its pretty well recorded
I mean its not really about white nationalism, i think thats a redundancy that resulted from the perversion of what constitutes a nation by the enlightenment
To me a nation is a group of people who are ancestrally related
And I dont really see an issue with eugenics
Why
If your goal is the faustian ideal(which presumably it is as a fascist) it is the natural conclusion
Or at least ending the propping up of bad genes as we see today
Yeah
Retards living for 30+ years for example
Braindead people living for more than a day
and by that i mean people who are born braindead
Allowing intermixing between races
You can draw a line, right. If you're goal is to achieve the overman than the natural conclusion is to stop the proliferation of bad genes by preventing undesirables from breeding
I mean thats really the only conclusion if thats your goal
Its transcending the human condition, im familiar with nietzsche
Interesting extrapolation
But I never mentioned killing off everybody lol
Propping up bad genes is not the road to the faustian ideal by any means
Neither is it the road to order unity and freedom from materialism
These idealistic fantasies are only idealistic fantasies because of the current liberal hegemony
These things were reality pre reformation
No its not, its already coming down lol
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