Message from @Ironsides

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2018-10-01 08:45:16 UTC  

I don't really subscribe to the aristotelian classifications of governmental structures so when I say representative I mean it literally, not necessitating democracy or republicanism, but the state making its interests congruent with the interests of the people.

2018-10-01 08:46:50 UTC  

Like I can get where they are coming from. Like Hitler and his idea of the Volkish state, but again, the national interests are often not `good`.

2018-10-01 08:47:20 UTC  

And I'll also acknowledge that qualifying `good` is a separate problem

2018-10-01 08:49:13 UTC  

It is

2018-10-01 08:49:17 UTC  

`It sounds horrible but frankly if there are people out there who want to shut me down or want to put this nation in danger, I want them out of here. Pack your crap and go!`
Also a side note on this, its not horrible, I tend to agree with Schmitt on the function of politics, put simply `us and them`

2018-10-01 08:49:37 UTC  

However if you notice the fascist states that existed then were bound a strong cult of personality

2018-10-01 08:50:26 UTC  

While Fascism emphasizes strong leadership, having a cult of personality is fundamentally flawed or be it rather it is a crap shoot

2018-10-01 08:50:46 UTC  

Hitler and Mussolini were too eager to get their countries into wars that they were ill-prepared for

2018-10-01 08:51:43 UTC  

I'd argue that it was the best time to go considering Hitler's goals. Commonwealth was at its weakest point, Germany at its strongest. If anything Hitler wasn't ruthless enough.

2018-10-01 08:52:35 UTC  

He avoided totally mobilizing the economy for far too long, he avoided saturation bombings on urban centers for too long as well.

2018-10-01 08:52:56 UTC  

I read somewhere it was because he was hoping for the UK to sign a peace with them but I cant substantiate that.

2018-10-01 08:53:53 UTC  

I'm not fond of Hitler or his ideas of National Socialism

2018-10-01 08:53:59 UTC  

So I have to disagree

2018-10-01 08:54:18 UTC  

What are some of your contentions with Hitler and National Socialism?

2018-10-01 08:54:52 UTC  

I agree with Devi's assertion that he was an avatar for the volk

2018-10-01 08:55:08 UTC  

Hitler was an idiot when he picked a fight with the Soviet Union while fighting on two fronts against the UK and in Africa. Not very smart that.

2018-10-01 08:55:30 UTC  

Hitler is the reason why Fascism has such a bad name and sitgmatized as it is.

2018-10-01 08:55:49 UTC  

I wouldn't blame Hitler for the stigma lol, blame your guy's enemies lol

2018-10-01 08:55:55 UTC  

But as for the campaign in the USSR

2018-10-01 08:57:03 UTC  

The campaign in geographic Russia was very strong, I personally attribute the failure of Fall Blau to their defeat in the war(ironically it failed because the general staff betrayed hitlers orders and tried to brute force moscow instead of achieve the actual strategic goal)

2018-10-01 08:57:07 UTC  

Also National Socialism as German-centric as it is would not work in a place like the US. The US is not monolithic.

2018-10-01 08:57:44 UTC  

Well National Socialism in its essence was Racialist Fascism(or even Dharmic Fasicsm), it could be used as a framework for anybody.

2018-10-01 08:59:02 UTC  

And for the US part, I'd say thats evident of the accelerating societal decline Western countries are facing

2018-10-01 08:59:11 UTC  

As Spengler puts it, the `civilization phase`

2018-10-01 08:59:45 UTC  

It's not practical

2018-10-01 09:00:18 UTC  

How is it not practical? I'm not even an exponent of it but I think the world saw its practicality manifest during its armed struggle against the world.

2018-10-01 09:00:32 UTC  

Where it fought extraordinarily well

2018-10-01 09:01:24 UTC  

Unless you can somehow breed the leftism out, the establishment of any ethnostate here in the US would be very costly

2018-10-01 09:01:49 UTC  

Are you a civnat?

2018-10-01 09:01:56 UTC  

or cultural nat however you want to call it

2018-10-01 09:02:08 UTC  

No

2018-10-01 09:02:42 UTC  

I mean, I think fascists primary goal should be eliminating the influence of the current hegemony

2018-10-01 09:02:49 UTC  

I'm saying there will be no peaceful way to establish any system

2018-10-01 09:02:56 UTC  

Well thats not necessarily a bad thing

2018-10-01 09:03:25 UTC  

There is no non violence in modernity, there is only cowardly violence, and open unashamed violence for a worthy cause

2018-10-01 09:05:27 UTC  

Also the concept is not inherently universal, although it can be

2018-10-01 09:05:34 UTC  

But in practice every nation has its own issues

2018-10-01 09:07:23 UTC  

Which is why I aim to "Americanize" the European model to some degree that is congruent with the culture of a more pragmatic America before it became a bastardized poster modernist fantasy

2018-10-01 09:07:42 UTC  

The variant of Fascism I subscribe to is Integralism

2018-10-01 09:07:49 UTC  

National Integralism

2018-10-01 09:08:24 UTC  

America before it became bastardized was a white state by white people for white people