Message from @SDKtheway
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it is on the accuser to have the burden of proof to prove he was colluding or obstructing
It is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.
@Techpriest except when there is a special counsels office....
and that special counsels office adheres to DOJ policy that states you cannot indict a sitting president
and beyond that you cannot even accuse him of a crime because he doesn't have the opportunity to defend himself in a court of law
so that whole "innocent until proven guilty" talking point isn't much use imo
hence the whole reason that robert mueller explicitly stated in his report that there was never any chance that he *would* have accused the president of any crimes
but, he also made it extremely damn clear that if he could say without a doubt that no crime had been committed on the obstruction front... he would do so
and he didnt
im no sherlock holmes, but my deduction from that is that it's pretty obvious whats happening here in regards to criminal misconduct
And the burden of proof lies on the accuser
Even if Mueller cant indict the president
It does not mean Congress cant hold an impeachment and trial for him
Which they didnt
All bark and no bite
@SDKtheway really you think guilty until proven innocent is the way justice should work? for shame!
If u live in mexico
Makes sense to have that system
The only thing the Mueller report found is that some Russians (who weren’t part of the Russian gov’t) ran ads in favor of trump. No direct connect to President Trump
@J. link of trump saying they captured airportshttps://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1146973411656294400?s=09
@beyond_gravity im not sure if that was supposed to be sarcastic but im going with a yes given the exclamation point
@J. “In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russia offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away,” the Mueller report said. “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."
im not gonna sit here and say there is a conspiracy charge or anything... but when you are receptive to individuals tied to the russian government handing over campaign data....
and the thought of reporting something like that to the FBI doesn't even cross your mind...
i guess that doesn't disprove what you say... but i think it's a bit more than just some russians running ads in favor of trump
@Techpriest some would argue that what mueller did exactly was hand the ball over to congress to determine whether or not to move forward with impeachment
GG @SDKtheway, you just advanced to level 3!
yes, that hasn't happened obvs
but he is still due to testify even though i don't believe he will say anything that we don't know already
But trump is not directly linked
Also name one Russian who was linked to the russian government that was in contact with anyone from the trump administration
Vladimir
Jerry suck my ass lol
well this won't suffice i'm sure but example A:
On April 26, 2016, Papadopoulos, a campaign foreign policy adviser, met in London with a professor he “understood to have substantial connections to Russian government officials,” according to a plea agreement that Papadopoulos reached with the Justice Department. At the meeting, the professor — later identified as Joseph Mifsud — told Papadopoulos that the Russian government had “dirt” on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” the plea agreement said."
"...On April 26, 2016, Papadopoulos, a campaign foreign policy adviser, met in London with a professor he “understood to have substantial connections to Russian government officials,” according to a plea agreement that Papadopoulos reached with the Justice Department. At the meeting, the professor — later identified as Joseph Mifsud — told Papadopoulos that the Russian government had “dirt” on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” the plea agreement said."
not perfect examples, but a campaign foreign policy adviser meeting with a whole lotta people who are like 1 degree separated from the russian government is somethin to me
and this ain't a quote from the report directly, but to cap it off:
"On Tuesday, when news broke that Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort had shared internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian business associate with ties to Russian intelligence, the through line between the campaign and the Kremlin began to look incontrovertible."
im not tryna say these things are examples of impeachable conduct, or a direct conspiracy link to the president... but I am saying that there is a whole lot more than a nothing burger with this investigation in my opinion
Granted, George P. did meet with Russians, but he did not directly receive the “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, as the emails were released before they had even met, by WikiLeaks, not Russians. Their meeting was a waste;
no doubt about that, and thats part of why i made that last comment saying I know these examples aren't a smoking gun