I believe you should work up the ladder to achieve success and earn more money. Universal income kinda eliminates that purpose doesnt it?

I don't need the government to become my daddy. We should be able to be independently sufficient in order to make due pay possible.

UBI covers your most basic needs, not success

People cant usually achieve success when they're starving or homeless

They're still very well able to

And the conditions weren't present back then for anything of the sort to happen

We still have to have a good safety net for them

Job automation is another consideration for UBI

@Dr.Cosby Also, 10% VAT isn't that much. Remember, Europe pays 20% VAT

10% is nothing

Also, welfare has the problem that is causes people on welfare to fear finding a job (since they're scared that they'll be worse off by finding a job as that welfare will be taken)

Right but UBI woudn't cut off because you got a job

That would just create a resentment among the working class and ultimately fail

Why a resentment among the working class?

Because if you're working and not even better off than somebody who isn't working, that would build resentment

GG @Soup Can Sam, you just advanced to level 5!

but if you're working hard, *you will be better off than them*

also welfare is typically *less remuneration than even a minimum wage job*

and that is *by design*

to ensure incentives are aligned properly

OK say you're getting 1000 a month from UBI but if you started a part time minimum wage job, and I'm talking a state with high minimum wage like maryland at 10.10 and lets be generous and say you get around 30 hours a week. You're working and only making about 212 dollars more a month than the person sitting on their ass doing nothing.

Now if you apply that to the federal minimum wage you'd need to work at minimum wage almost full time in order to break a thousand a month

To make the same amount of money as somebody literally doing nothing

So you would continue giving out UBI to the person with the job to prevent that from happening

i live in a country where the minimum wage is around $22/hr lmao

and welfare is anywhere between $4-8/hr

UBI wouldnt get us to $22/hr

so in our case, the incentives are aligned properly

but also

i thought you meant *welfare* payments

not UBI

australia does not have a population of 330 million

millions of illegals who take jobs for way less than the minimum wage are NOT going to australia

well actually

we had a boat problem

people migrate to indonesia

then come on boats to australia

so yea we had a lot of immigrants who took low wage jobs

idk about taking less than the min wage tho

you dont have 1 million coming per year in caravans ready to storm your border

dude its proportional