Message from @wuzamarine
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The Quran claims to be written by divine inspiration
the bible not so much
The bible claims infallibility
Where?
That's just a link to the concept of biblical infallibility
scholars argue over this
while you can't argue over quranic infallibility
since it crushes the faith
The Quran was written by Mexican terrorists
It was written by a crossdressing nonce
If it has 1 baloney, it gets shelved next to Gone with the Wind. Another fiction story with some historical truth and a good moral.
I don’t think you could classify the Bible as fiction, though, since that’s not the intent it was written with. The worst you could say about it is that it’s poetry and fables from a particular culture interspersed with politically motivated history, but that’s a far cry from calling it fiction
The view that the Bible was written to 'control people' is basic and superficial at best.
If anything, it was the culmination of the moral teachings at the time that ended up persisting through for a variety of reasons.
The same systemic values you can find pretty much everywhere, and they all have a common root in biology.
Hairy Potter was a big seller to.
The Dead Sea Scolls read like the Potter isle at Barnes and Noble.
Ver 1, Ver 1.a, Ver 2, Ver 2 in Greek.
It was just a popular story amongst illiterate goat herders that had no clue.
Then the intellectuals of 1k CE polished it for 500 years.
They still missed a lot of holes though.
It absolutely was not written by “illiterate goat herders” lol
It fully was
then why was the story in oral tradition for 1k years before it saw parchment and quill?
GG @wuzamarine, you just advanced to level 6!
Perhaps it was, but the people that compiled it were some of the most educated people of their time. It’s not intellectually honest to discount it as being the product of the uneducated
3rd tier to.
There are also copies of the New Testament from long before 1000CE, and that’s not even getting into the Old Testament, which is far older than that
The New Testament was started 50 years after the fact. That was only the first couple of paragraphs.
The edits continued up until the 1500s
They’re both a load of horseshit
That bible has more holes than swiss cheese
Ok? 50 years is not that long when you’re dealing with ancient documents. It’s certainly not 1000 years, which is what you initially said
The people who wrote it to was to politically control the masses
@abby_ella
How many old vets do you know that are not full of shit?
What do you think history is?
@abby_ella
the first thing you look for is verifiablility.
if the story cannot be 3rd party verified, you may not have absolutely nothing but the creditbility of the author comes seriously into play.
Paul was not known to be a reliable source.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2015/09/how-reliable-is-apostle-paul-when-he-knew-very-little-about-jesus/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_reliability_of_the_Acts_of_the_Apostles#Historicity
So is your definition of history on applicable to things that can be “3rd party verified?”
That is the minimal standard for proof.
That’s too narrow a definition of what history is. History is also about interpretation
God is fucking gay
He’s a little coward bitch boy
So maybe the authors of the Bible interpreted things incorrectly, but the fact that they interpreted things at all has value to a historian. Their interpretations and understanding of events constitute a part of the history of those events
The definition of history is "his" "story"
But if your information is not 3rd party verifiable, what you have is "his" "roumor".