Anything besides the point of conception is arbitrary

cognative awareness.

coma?

There is a heart beat 3 weeks after conception.

were they born in a coma?

anything besides the point of conception is just arbitrary, like what @Sauropithicus said

Lol, your not born in a coma.

Why does that matter?

no cognative awareness ever?
nothing lost.

@Sauropithicus I'm establishing stages of development. Since you acknowedge an acorn isnt a tree, a clump of cells 12 weeks after conception isn't a person.

@wuzamarine when is it ok to abort?

Like when does it become killing

So if they have brain function and lose it, it's ok, but if they never had it, it isn't?

That makes no sense

Doesn’t matter, the sperm is wiggles and alive before it reaches the egg which means it’s a human even before conception @Puerto Rican Nelson .

Sperm is not a human

Thats a gamete, not even a zygote

I think thats taking it too far m8

sperm isn't even its own thing

It is lol, it has human dna

mother nature installs a safety switch for when things go horribly wrong, which they did for eons.
4 weeks is when you discover your toes and 4 wks after birth is when cognative awareness kicks in.
That's when it would be cruel.

Its literally not a human being unless it has the independent DNA of both of its parents

Human DNA how does that not = human?

Because it's not independent of its parents

Well just as youd say a human cell isnt a human being

Like a nerve cell is a part of a human

GG @Sauropithicus, you just advanced to level 2!

more or less, sure.

But a zygote is an actual independent human

sperm contains half of the person's dna

or at least will become one, depending on your view

The egg is female at first and the sperm is male, when the sperm enters the egg there is a little mini game known as 8 ball and a decision is made on whether the chromosomes will be in favor of producing a male embryo of a female.

wow that was a description

@wuzamarine So when is it like moral to abort

you gave like a super vague answer I feel

@Sauropithicus It can become one if it is carried to term and born with some amount of viability. Do we do a census that includes fetuses? No. Neither does the medical community consider a pregnant woman a mother.

@Sauropithicus A zygote has a 'chance' to be a human. Only after a high risk proceedure.
You don't torture somebody over a chance.

Ok

When is it ok to abort

4 weeks

why