Ok but like that's still aggressive

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we'd have to put any battlefield in the context of whether there is a Just War happening

By aggressive, I mean like they started it, not like its "aggressive"

no more aggressive than a patrol in a congressional war zone.

My bad for not defining terms, hypocrisy is a cold bitch

Ok but in a war zone (assuming combatants on both sides), both sides are equally aggressive and reactionary against one another which is why I say that its morally gray

special ops?
Marines are not always in congressional war zones and they do see fire.

Well my point is that in war when both sides are fighting against one another, both groups are kind of simultaneously "starting it" and "responding"

Like, as soldiers

Not that the nations(governments) involved themselves are equally responsible for starting and responding

How about Jeffrey Dahmer. He was as chill as you could get about the deed.

he's another extreme end.

Ok you didnt hear me a little while ago

Aggressive doesnt mean crazy

by aggressive I just mean "initiating violence"

and by reactionary I just mean "responding to the initiation of violence with violence"

It doesnt matter if they initiated violence in a "cold manner", by aggressive I just mean that they initiated the violence

teens that kill to join gangs?

aggressive

driveby typically

because the people they kill (Im assuming) didnt commit violence against them first

GG @Sauropithicus, you just advanced to level 4!

some fucked up shit happens in war zones.

When you talk about wars, thats gray for me, because its much harder to tell who is being aggressive and who is being reactionary when you're talking about collectives

Also, if soldiers commit violence against civilians, I would call that aggression

the only way to properly class murder without a lingering contradiction, is with authorization.

I dont see what is so contradictory about defining murder by the aspect of aggression

military is always going to be your screwball.

Collectives will always be hard

Not military specifically

mafia?

I mean any individual mafia member tends to be aggressive

Theft is a form of aggression, just directed at one's property as opposed to their person

mafias by nature are predatory

Agreed, theyre pretty aggressive

Blackwater?

Theft is directed towards a person, as one's property is an extension of their self ownership @Sauropithicus

Exactly

or any mercinary

But its not exactly their person