Message from @wuzamarine

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2020-02-14 04:43:42 UTC  

Literally, under the UCMJ, you can be shot by firing squad for rape. But for murder, you just have to justify your actions to your supervisors.

2020-02-14 04:44:05 UTC  

Like authorization is what MAKES killing moral or immoral, I thought that's what you were saying

2020-02-14 04:44:48 UTC  

Ok so that is what you were saying?

2020-02-14 04:44:56 UTC  

yes!

2020-02-14 04:45:04 UTC  

Oh ok!

2020-02-14 04:45:33 UTC  

Well I think the moral distinction lies in the aggression part

2020-02-14 04:45:47 UTC  

a hitman?

2020-02-14 04:45:48 UTC  

And I think the battlefield gets pretty morally gray

2020-02-14 04:45:53 UTC  

No like

2020-02-14 04:45:55 UTC  

Hmmm

2020-02-14 04:46:04 UTC  

If I were to just shoot you that would be murder

2020-02-14 04:46:05 UTC  

But

2020-02-14 04:46:14 UTC  

If you shot at me then I shot you it would not be murder

2020-02-14 04:46:23 UTC  

Because in the first case I was being aggressive

2020-02-14 04:46:30 UTC  

But in the second case I was being reactionary

2020-02-14 04:47:32 UTC  

a hitman blows your theory out of the water. That's calm, cold and very calculated.
It also would only be immoral if you happen to be in the wrong jurisdiction

2020-02-14 04:48:16 UTC  

Ok but like that's still aggressive

2020-02-14 04:48:19 UTC  

O

2020-02-14 04:48:24 UTC  

we'd have to put any battlefield in the context of whether there is a Just War happening

2020-02-14 04:48:34 UTC  

By aggressive, I mean like they started it, not like its "aggressive"

2020-02-14 04:48:50 UTC  

no more aggressive than a patrol in a congressional war zone.

2020-02-14 04:48:57 UTC  

My bad for not defining terms, hypocrisy is a cold bitch

2020-02-14 04:49:55 UTC  

Ok but in a war zone (assuming combatants on both sides), both sides are equally aggressive and reactionary against one another which is why I say that its morally gray

2020-02-14 04:50:35 UTC  

special ops?
Marines are not always in congressional war zones and they do see fire.

2020-02-14 04:51:45 UTC  

Well my point is that in war when both sides are fighting against one another, both groups are kind of simultaneously "starting it" and "responding"

2020-02-14 04:52:00 UTC  

Like, as soldiers

2020-02-14 04:52:25 UTC  

Not that the nations(governments) involved themselves are equally responsible for starting and responding

2020-02-14 04:53:01 UTC  

How about Jeffrey Dahmer. He was as chill as you could get about the deed.

2020-02-14 04:53:11 UTC  

he's another extreme end.

2020-02-14 04:53:17 UTC  

Ok you didnt hear me a little while ago

2020-02-14 04:53:22 UTC  

Aggressive doesnt mean crazy

2020-02-14 04:53:39 UTC  

by aggressive I just mean "initiating violence"

2020-02-14 04:54:14 UTC  

and by reactionary I just mean "responding to the initiation of violence with violence"

2020-02-14 04:55:10 UTC  

It doesnt matter if they initiated violence in a "cold manner", by aggressive I just mean that they initiated the violence

2020-02-14 04:55:48 UTC  

teens that kill to join gangs?

2020-02-14 04:56:01 UTC  

aggressive

2020-02-14 04:56:16 UTC  

driveby typically

2020-02-14 04:56:32 UTC  

because the people they kill (Im assuming) didnt commit violence against them first

2020-02-14 04:56:32 UTC  

GG @Sauropithicus, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-02-14 04:57:21 UTC  

some fucked up shit happens in war zones.

2020-02-14 04:57:56 UTC  

When you talk about wars, thats gray for me, because its much harder to tell who is being aggressive and who is being reactionary when you're talking about collectives