Message from @Puerto Rican Nelson
Discord ID: 679465752129962025
People are saying "life could come from non life"
@Cobra Commander I saw your explanation and don't see how it infers that life can be "created naturally". We know that the molecules are there, but they need to be organized in a complex way to create life. This happening by random natural processes disobeys the law of biogenesis. If there was a God who created life, he would not be bound by those laws. Therefore, it is more reasonable to say that a God created the Universe.
God *could* exist, but there is no evidence for his existence
Well, those "microbes" you pondered about
or at least the earliest forms of microorganisms
It does not violate the second law of thermodynamics
were found in hydrothermal vents.
I don't think you understand that law
Why there?
@Cobra Commander Ok, I think I am, but I'll give you that one. If you could explain why though, that would be helpful. The law of biogenesis goes against it though.
Nor does it violate the law of biogenesis since this law disproves spontaneous generation (as in, complex life appearing from literally nothing), not a procedural process in which inorganic compounds become amino acids, which from there can become more advanced structures (relatively speaking) that gradually become more complex until finally leading to actual cells and RNA (possibly with an outside catalyst though, like lightening or volcanic activity). Read about the Miller-Urey Experiment and Proteinoids.
The Law of Thermodynamics means that in an isolated system energy and organization decreases over time, and I assume you believe the Earth is an isolated system. It's not, all life on the planet is ultimately based off of solar energy.
Which is an external influence.
Ah!
Mee6 deleted my message!
It said "I shouldn't post the same thing over and over again", but I didn't!
@Cobra Commander The law of bio-genesis doesn't say that life can't be created from "literally nothing". It says that life can only be produced by life.
I had a much better response, but Mee6 deleted it because it thought I posted it before even though I didn't
Also, you're right. The second law of thermodynamics doesn't work in this circumstance. I was thinking of something else
It's a different logical path that brought me to the conclusion of God
@Yusa how can you tell the difference between god's intervention or that of a timeless, interdimensional computer?
You effectively just repeated what I said in regards to biogenesis and left out the rest of my explanation
Argh! Mee6 did it again
<@&508200811625447449> Why is Mee6 deleting my post?
Too long probably.
Partition it.
Oh, ok
Although I don't see how it could be too long...
Yea
Idk why itโs deleting it
It looks semi-long.
Why do I get a notification for mod pings
@Cobra Commander Alright, I'm going to break this post up into section so that Mee6 won't get mad
So, I responded to your points twice, but mee6 deleted both of those posts. The way biogenesis was proved shows that spontaneous generation of life is false.
In an experiment, Louis Pasteur made a liquid broth of nutrient-rich material such as chicken broth and put it in a flask that had a curved neck
I know that spontaneous generation was disproved, and I explained how the process to the cell is most likely procedural instead of immediate; that is not spontaneous generation. I already told you to look up the Miller-Urey experiment and the creation of Proteinoids, it's interesting stuff.
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Idk why it keeps saying duplicated text
> The curved neck allowed air to reach the infusion, but because microorganisms are heavier than air, any microorganisms present would be trapped at the bottom of the curve.
> When Pasteur repeated some experiments Needham (Experiments that Needham thought proved spontaneous generation) had done in the curved flask, no microorganisms appeared.
> In a final blow, Pasteur even showed that if you tipped the flask once to allow any microorganisms that might be trapped to fall into the infusion, microorganisms would appear in the infusion.