So yes

You didn't use logic though.

@Cobra Commander How?

How can you infer that?

It takes more belief to believe that then it takes to believe in a God

Because you haven't used anything to actually determine that, you've only claimed it and ignored my explanation regarding how primitive life can come from pre existing organic compounds.

GG @Cobra Commander, you just advanced to level 28!

Again wrong, as already explained here.

You have to use more belief to come to the conclusion that "god *is* real and life *cannot* come from 'non-life'" instead of just "life can *maybe* come around due to these existing compounds"

Well, I did suggest he should read about hypothermal vents.

I don't think anyone here is claiming "life did come from non life"

People are saying "life could come from non life"

@Cobra Commander I saw your explanation and don't see how it infers that life can be "created naturally". We know that the molecules are there, but they need to be organized in a complex way to create life. This happening by random natural processes disobeys the law of biogenesis. If there was a God who created life, he would not be bound by those laws. Therefore, it is more reasonable to say that a God created the Universe.

God *could* exist, but there is no evidence for his existence

Well, those "microbes" you pondered about

or at least the earliest forms of microorganisms

It does not violate the second law of thermodynamics

were found in hydrothermal vents.

I don't think you understand that law

Why there?

@Cobra Commander Ok, I think I am, but I'll give you that one. If you could explain why though, that would be helpful. The law of biogenesis goes against it though.

Nor does it violate the law of biogenesis since this law disproves spontaneous generation (as in, complex life appearing from literally nothing), not a procedural process in which inorganic compounds become amino acids, which from there can become more advanced structures (relatively speaking) that gradually become more complex until finally leading to actual cells and RNA (possibly with an outside catalyst though, like lightening or volcanic activity). Read about the Miller-Urey Experiment and Proteinoids.

The Law of Thermodynamics means that in an isolated system energy and organization decreases over time, and I assume you believe the Earth is an isolated system. It's not, all life on the planet is ultimately based off of solar energy.

Which is an external influence.

Ah!

Mee6 deleted my message!

It said "I shouldn't post the same thing over and over again", but I didn't!

@Cobra Commander The law of bio-genesis doesn't say that life can't be created from "literally nothing". It says that life can only be produced by life.

I had a much better response, but Mee6 deleted it because it thought I posted it before even though I didn't

Also, you're right. The second law of thermodynamics doesn't work in this circumstance. I was thinking of something else

It's a different logical path that brought me to the conclusion of God

@Yusa how can you tell the difference between god's intervention or that of a timeless, interdimensional computer?

You effectively just repeated what I said in regards to biogenesis and left out the rest of my explanation

Argh! Mee6 did it again

<@&508200811625447449> Why is Mee6 deleting my post?

Too long probably.

Partition it.

Oh, ok

Although I don't see how it could be too long...

Yea

Idk why it’s deleting it