Message from @quinnn

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2019-04-15 05:34:18 UTC  

i thought people were a lot more accepting of trans people than they actually are

2019-04-15 05:34:22 UTC  

this was quite a shock to me

2019-04-15 05:34:48 UTC  

however, just as i have surrounded myself with people who are accepting, you've surrounded yourself with people who aren't

2019-04-15 05:35:01 UTC  

we both created an echo chamber for ourselves

2019-04-15 05:35:11 UTC  

but no you are wrong

2019-04-15 05:35:15 UTC  

in this situation

2019-04-15 05:35:59 UTC  

i personally would most likely never date a cis person - not because i hate cis people, but because they would most likely never be understanding of me and what i've gone through

2019-04-15 05:36:20 UTC  

just like those people who say "i accept normal gay people, but not those who flaunt it around"

2019-04-15 05:36:30 UTC  

who are you to define normal?!

2019-04-15 05:37:54 UTC  

I don't mind if somebody is open or proud about their sexuality, whatever. I do, however, find people whose sexuality is their personality to be incredibly obnoxious

2019-04-15 05:38:30 UTC  

Yeah see but would you do that for straight people who do the same?

2019-04-15 05:38:43 UTC  

It's like that dude at your lunch table who always talks about how many girls he bangs, it's annoying and obnoxious

2019-04-15 05:38:48 UTC  

Like straight men who objectify women?

2019-04-15 05:38:48 UTC  

Absolutely, 100%

2019-04-15 05:38:57 UTC  

See that I can respect

2019-04-15 05:39:15 UTC  

It's hatred of a specific toxic character trait, along all walks of life

2019-04-15 05:39:36 UTC  

You don't attempt to excuse anyone

2019-04-15 05:39:58 UTC  

I was under the idea most people hold my position, i suppose not?

2019-04-15 05:40:13 UTC  

It's that when people usually say that

2019-04-15 05:40:24 UTC  

They would encourage such behaviour if it were a straight male friend of theirs

2019-04-15 05:40:44 UTC  

So it's just an extension of one's homophobia, without them being directly homophobic

2019-04-15 05:42:15 UTC  

As for objectification, I think it's more of a matter of maturity and timing. If you see a cute girl / guy and say to a friend "Wow, that person is cute," then whatever, but if you run down the road screaming "OH YEA SO SEXY" then it's just a failure to conduct yourself maturely in public

2019-04-15 05:44:57 UTC  

I will, however, say that I've noticed the trait above is more common in those within the LGBT community as opposed to those without it. I believe it has something to do with the concept of an "in group," etc. I've found it more common for, say, a gay men to have his sexuality be a huge portion of his personality, then a straight man. That's just my personal experience, so you can take it with a grain of salt

2019-04-15 05:46:19 UTC  

I mean I see it more as being gay is more easily noticeable as an outsider because, to you, it's not "normal"

2019-04-15 05:46:40 UTC  

So what may not come off as flaunting to a gay person, may be so to a straight person and vice versa

2019-04-15 05:46:51 UTC  

The same with trans and cis people

2019-04-15 05:47:15 UTC  

I don't mean mannerisms, I mean literal immediate sexual innuendo comments within minutes of interacting, but I understand your point

2019-04-15 05:47:34 UTC  

Once again, just my experience.

2019-04-15 05:48:01 UTC  

Another thing I'm also incredibly hesitant with, since we are on the topic of gender in general, are gender related surgeries

2019-04-15 05:48:33 UTC  

specifically ones involving genitalia. The complication rate is high and complications are debilitating. The risk just seems to outweigh the gain so drastically.

2019-04-15 05:49:39 UTC  

I've done extensive research personally on this specific topic, and seen more mutilated crotches then I ever thought I would. Ulcers, tears, fistulas, infection, required revisions, loss of all sexual function. It's terrible.

2019-04-15 05:49:55 UTC  

Yeah that's an issue of the doctor being shit

2019-04-15 05:50:07 UTC  

There are surgeries which do go extremely well

2019-04-15 05:50:21 UTC  

However you are right, there are far too many risks

2019-04-15 05:50:22 UTC  

The vast majority are. The most popular, from what I can gather, is from one specific doctor in thailand of all places

2019-04-15 05:50:41 UTC  

Hey the Thai must know their shit

2019-04-15 05:51:07 UTC  

I guess so lol. Seems to be just this one doctor though, everybody else sacrifices a lot

2019-04-15 05:53:31 UTC  

Hormonal therapy is also quite risky, although not as much. Spironolactone, for example, can cause skin necrosis in some cases (although rare) and estrogen drastically increases the risk of blood clots, embolisms, thrombosis, etc

2019-04-15 05:55:27 UTC  

Testosterone can also cause, in severe cases, liver failure or significantly decreased liver function. It's all the wild west of medicine right now, and from an outsider perspective, I can understand why some people would be vehemently against it

2019-04-15 05:56:42 UTC  

A person, willing to risk injury, mutilation, and death, to change themselves in an unchangeable way. It's a complex issue to be certain