Message from @thomas the choo choo tree
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so in that case, what do you think would be the right thing to do
so mean, giving hard choices
what do you mean right thing to do? we kinda changed topics slightly
as in
keep the baby, adoption, abort
well if the father wants the baby he can force her to keep it regardless if abortion is legal or not
so you think a father has the same say as the mother has on whether she should keep the baby?
well he could threaten her
do you think thats right?
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threatening her into keeping the baby?
no of course not
guess what that is: he's FORCING HER to KEEP the baby. that's no different from what would happen if abortion was outlawed.
then if its wrong why would he do it
well i mean it is different in terms of safety
but like
well if he is forcing her to keep the child adoption and giving the child to a relative no longer becomes an option either
with abortion outlawed Adoption is still an option
do you really think an abuser would want to raise a child
oh what the father is still abusive?
i thought it was like
as i said previously the adoption system needs reworking
and if he wants to, would he be right for the kid
i dont believe an abuser is right for anyone but if he doesnt abuve the child
but if it's outlawed, then you're still *forcing* the mom to give her child to a messed up system
abuse*
i have a question
your not forcing her to give her child to a messed up system you could always ask a family member to take the child
and what is your question
do you think a (non-abusive) father has the same say over a child as the mother does
yes
as long as the father is in the relationship and wants to take care of him/her
but if the father abandoned the mother
no
so the 9 months that a mother has to carry that child for mean nothing?
well the father had just as much to do with the creation of the child as the mother did
oh yeah and: a fetus shouldn't be held to a higher value than a pregnant woman because it can't sustain itself out of the mother's womb
So do you believe the mother should be able to just abort the child without the fathers consent?