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threatening her into keeping the baby?

no of course not

guess what that is: he's FORCING HER to KEEP the baby. that's no different from what would happen if abortion was outlawed.

then if its wrong why would he do it

well i mean it is different in terms of safety

but like

well if he is forcing her to keep the child adoption and giving the child to a relative no longer becomes an option either

with abortion outlawed Adoption is still an option

do you really think an abuser would want to raise a child

adoption system is messed up tho

oh what the father is still abusive?

i thought it was like

as i said previously the adoption system needs reworking

and if he wants to, would he be right for the kid

i dont believe an abuser is right for anyone but if he doesnt abuve the child

but if it's outlawed, then you're still *forcing* the mom to give her child to a messed up system

abuse*

i have a question

your not forcing her to give her child to a messed up system you could always ask a family member to take the child

and what is your question

do you think a (non-abusive) father has the same say over a child as the mother does

yes

as long as the father is in the relationship and wants to take care of him/her

but if the father abandoned the mother

no

so the 9 months that a mother has to carry that child for mean nothing?

well the father had just as much to do with the creation of the child as the mother did

oh yeah and: a fetus shouldn't be held to a higher value than a pregnant woman because it can't sustain itself out of the mother's womb

So do you believe the mother should be able to just abort the child without the fathers consent?

yeah

i mean it's obviously not ideal; all couples should talk about whether they want a baby before having sex, but (imo) it is ultimately the mother's choice

so does the fathers sperm mean nothing?

without the father the baby wouldnt even be a thing

it definitely means less than 9 months, not to mention giving birth

wait sorry gtg

sure

we'll continue when you come back

hi

im back