yes

During 2012, 92% of abortions were performed before 14 weeks' gestation, 6% between 14–20 weeks, and 2% (n=96) at a later stage.

"No. The brain will never recover when it dies. Since the patient has already been declared dead, removing the machine (which is artificially pumping air into the lungs) cannot cause further harm or death."

The brain doesnt come back

Brain activity can be regained after loss, yes. It's incredibly rare but it does occur. What I say, specifically was if you know a person will be 100% recovered in several months, meaning normal brain activity, would it be moral to kill them?

its dead

so saying that they might recover is not a thing

its dead

you cant revive

The fetus prior to brain activity is as alive as a germ

This...is a hypothetical, lol

WE kill germs all the time

previously, that human has survived, so it's not a fair comparison

brain death is not recoverable

but its not realistic

that human has the capability to survive outside its mother's womb

thats what we're going by

So the criteria for whether a fetus is alive or not is the exact minute it has brain activity and whether or not it can survive outside the womb?

Your logical trap doesnt apply. Of course we would be hypocrites under your nonexistant hypothetical but that does not prove anything because it does not happen

Before those points it's entirely acceptable to kill it, but it isn't killing because it "isn't alive"?

Yes

yes

yes

If I throw a rock have I killed it??

murder = killing something that IS alive

I guess this is where we end the discussion, no matter what I do I cannot change your moral views on an issue

I'm sorry you reject science

But, it isn't a debate about science, lmao

It's a moral debate first and foremost on what criteria you use to perceive life, or if potential life is enough over actual life

you tried lol its fine

"Yeetus that fetus" - My hero

but if you believe in science is right then science is related

GG @thomas the choo choo tree, you just advanced to level 5!

Morality isn;t objective so it has to be scientific

Otherwise you can't prove anything

its so wrong to take away the rights of an actual living being because of "the potential of a life"

Morality is nothing but some bullshit taught to you as a child so you don't shove the girl you like

I truly believe that 50 years from now, we're going to look back on widespread abortion the same way we do on lobotomies and electroshock therapy. Science is not a tool for moral right or wrong, because science does not determine whether potential life is enough or not. Science tells you how and why things work, not if it's ok they do so

pro lifers = absolute moralists

pro choicers = relative moralists