thats what we're going by

So the criteria for whether a fetus is alive or not is the exact minute it has brain activity and whether or not it can survive outside the womb?

Your logical trap doesnt apply. Of course we would be hypocrites under your nonexistant hypothetical but that does not prove anything because it does not happen

Before those points it's entirely acceptable to kill it, but it isn't killing because it "isn't alive"?

Yes

yes

yes

If I throw a rock have I killed it??

murder = killing something that IS alive

I guess this is where we end the discussion, no matter what I do I cannot change your moral views on an issue

I'm sorry you reject science

But, it isn't a debate about science, lmao

It's a moral debate first and foremost on what criteria you use to perceive life, or if potential life is enough over actual life

you tried lol its fine

"Yeetus that fetus" - My hero

but if you believe in science is right then science is related

GG @thomas the choo choo tree, you just advanced to level 5!

Morality isn;t objective so it has to be scientific

Otherwise you can't prove anything

its so wrong to take away the rights of an actual living being because of "the potential of a life"

Morality is nothing but some bullshit taught to you as a child so you don't shove the girl you like

I truly believe that 50 years from now, we're going to look back on widespread abortion the same way we do on lobotomies and electroshock therapy. Science is not a tool for moral right or wrong, because science does not determine whether potential life is enough or not. Science tells you how and why things work, not if it's ok they do so

pro lifers = absolute moralists

pro choicers = relative moralists

Morality is just bullshit, right man. You have a good day.

It is

lol i disagree on that

how did this become a salt battle lol

science proves stuff

If you truly believe that then, wow. There is a point in a discussion where somebody is so radically different that finding common ground is impossible

we did find common ground

late term abortions are wrong

Believing that morals are pointless in a discussion regarding the morality of potential live is just a waste of time. We did, ashnaa, but not komrade

yeah

You make your morals

Of course make your own morals. Does that mean they don't matter?

If you don't have morals then what do you have to base decisions off of?

instinct

logic

yes, morality is subjective, so it can be complicated but it's not useless