More specifically African Americans

It depends if they take care of themselves

I'm sure no one disagrees with that

with all the African American women that are single mothers

im pretty sure they all can take care of themselves

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African American women are single cos their men are degens

The women are degens too

Wow, black women must really live in your mind rent-free.

@The Meme Lord

The study uses very optimistic admin cost savings; assume nothing will happen if you change reimbursement rates; nothing will happen if you reduce drug prices, their estimates on drug prices are also very optimistic.

I can expand on these points, but that's the gist of it.

Other studies, which I think a particular one is a very precise one, find otherwise.

I.e a RAND study

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3106.html

> We estimate that total health expenditures under a Medicare for All plan that provides comprehensive coverage and long-term care benefits would be $3.89 trillion in 2019 (assuming such a plan was in place for all of the year), or a 1.8 percent increase relative to expenditures under current law.

They also find a large increase in waiting times, as @JesusHand noted

You have to realize that everyone would be covered. And considering around 44% of the US is either uninsured or underinsured and people wouldn’t be afriad of costs to get healthcare, demand for healthcare would increase significantly. This isn’t a bad thing, public health would drastically improve. But even with thag study, per capita spending would decrease and drug prices would decrease. Just looking at total spending can be a bit misleading. Not to mention there are other studies that find decrease spending

The point is *national spending increases* when M4A, which is a problem.

If someone is saying costs are saved with M4A they're wrong, we need higher taxes to pay for the M4A( a proposal that is sub optimal ).

How is that a problem if per capita spending decreases

@AETA lol funny cuz single mothers are part of the reason for African American ghettos

And there are other studies which show that total cosrs would actyally decrease

Because it causes other effects: long wait times, higher taxes, poorer quality, higher government deficit/debt and possibly slowing growth

Those studies normally have generous assumptions, but I think the RAND one is the best.

There are other studies showing an increase too.

Obviously if you abolish private healthcare people will spend less on private healthcare

Ffs

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money%3famp

It’s a facade

You still end up spending more

Yes, so expensive

Most of these 22 studies are from a few decades ago, the recent evidence is mixed.

I know many people who got cancer here

And had to fly to the US

To get treatment

But like I said, the precise estimates like RAND I would say find an increase.

> demand for healthcare would increase significantly This isn’t a bad thing
Remember, this is not necessarily true.

Moral hazard is a thing in healthcare, increasing spending where it's not needed.

If you look it generally and not just ine study you see it’s a decrease not an increase